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james fleming  
#1 Posted : 03 May 2013 07:30:19(UTC)
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james fleming

There’s a French saying “shame upon him who thinks evil upon it”. (The best translation I can get). However, where is the saying from and where specifically would you expect to see it in relation to Health and Safety. No checking on your search engine. If you do, dinny blab. I’m on the road and will check in, in a few hours and offer a clue.
Lucy D  
#2 Posted : 03 May 2013 08:50:21(UTC)
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Lucy D

My immediate thoughts about where the phrase most commonly applies in h&s is the number of times I still get involved in accident investigations where the senior managers have immediately concluded the injured person is at fault. As for the author - it's too early in the morning - Victor Hugo?
leadbelly  
#3 Posted : 03 May 2013 08:56:23(UTC)
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leadbelly

It's the motto of the Order of the Garter: evil be to him who thinks it. LB
Ian Harper  
#4 Posted : 03 May 2013 09:02:43(UTC)
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Ian Harper

"Theres a risk and a cost to an action, which is insignificant to the risk and cost of comfortable inaction", Kennedy I think
james fleming  
#5 Posted : 03 May 2013 09:20:13(UTC)
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james fleming

Oh, leadbelly. 1 point to you. It’s from the Order of the Garter. However, what’s its relevance in relation to Health and Safety?
martinw  
#6 Posted : 03 May 2013 09:49:03(UTC)
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martinw

Could it be an unofficial subtitle of Lord Young's review of health and safety?
Simon Lucas  
#7 Posted : 03 May 2013 10:26:18(UTC)
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Simon Lucas

james fleming wrote:
There’s a French saying “shame upon him who thinks evil upon it”. (The best translation I can get). However, where is the saying from and where specifically would you expect to see it in relation to Health and Safety. No checking on your search engine. If you do, dinny blab. I’m on the road and will check in, in a few hours and offer a clue.
Simon Lucas  
#8 Posted : 03 May 2013 10:27:28(UTC)
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Simon Lucas

Hi, it is also the motto of the Coldstream Guards, which is: "honi soit qui mal y pense" or "evil be to those who evil think."
Heather Collins  
#9 Posted : 03 May 2013 10:31:03(UTC)
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Heather Collins

It appears on the Royal Coat of Arms so is this an IOSH Royal Charter-related answer?
RayRapp  
#10 Posted : 03 May 2013 10:44:17(UTC)
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RayRapp

In safety common parlance it translates - FFS...Oh, WTF! Well, it is Friday - hooray.
james fleming  
#11 Posted : 03 May 2013 10:45:32(UTC)
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james fleming

Heather, you get 1 point! the moto is related to the Royal Coat of Arms and is the Order of the Garter within it. It’s the first thing printed on the H&SAWA… shame upon him who thinks evil upon it. Which I thought was very apt. The first words on the printed Act say (ish) shame upon him who thinks evil upon it.
achrn  
#12 Posted : 03 May 2013 15:29:06(UTC)
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achrn

I would argue that the saying is 'from' the monarch that instituted teh order. I can't remember which monarch it was or who it was that flashed their garter at court, though. Elizabeth I? (the monarch, not the flasher).
boblewis  
#13 Posted : 04 May 2013 09:58:26(UTC)
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boblewis

It first appeared on the royal coat of arms of James I England, VI Scotland. He was also the first to have the Unicorn supporting the arms in place of the Welsh Dragon. Bob
bilbo  
#14 Posted : 07 May 2013 11:44:39(UTC)
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bilbo

Thats funny - my copy of H&SWA hasn't got that on it at all - mine has a coat of arms with the legend "Dieu et Mon Droit"
Jane Blunt  
#15 Posted : 07 May 2013 11:57:22(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

bilbo wrote:
Thats funny - my copy of H&SWA hasn't got that on it at all - mine has a coat of arms with the legend "Dieu et Mon Droit"
Look at the shield between the lion and the unicorn.
bilbo  
#16 Posted : 07 May 2013 13:31:29(UTC)
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bilbo

Dooh! - Silly me - you are of course, quite right! That'll teach me to look more closely.
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