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xRockape  
#1 Posted : 18 July 2013 15:26:26(UTC)
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xRockape

L21 The Management Regs are to be withdrawn at the end of July. Strike another blow to HS.
BuzzLightyear  
#2 Posted : 18 July 2013 15:34:53(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

Not good news. Where is your source. Is there a web link? Can someone remind me what is the intended alternative is to making sure that the hierarchy of controls, requirements to do risk assessments etc etc are going. Is it just going to be guidance, ACOP or nothing?
xRockape  
#3 Posted : 18 July 2013 15:45:28(UTC)
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xRockape

NickH  
#4 Posted : 18 July 2013 15:48:52(UTC)
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NickH

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l21.htm

The regs aren't going - just the ACoP. Preumably it is being reviewed?
NickH  
#5 Posted : 18 July 2013 15:49:53(UTC)
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NickH

Beat me to the link... :o)
BuzzLightyear  
#6 Posted : 18 July 2013 15:53:49(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

xRockape wrote:

Thanks, so it is the ACOP not the regulations themselves. The public consultation:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/co...ndocs/cd241-analysis.pdf (page 17): Showed this result to the question of whether it should be withdrawn: Yes: 102 (48%) and No 112 (54%). So much for democracy!
BuzzLightyear  
#7 Posted : 18 July 2013 15:54:53(UTC)
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BuzzLightyear

BuzzLightyear wrote:
xRockape wrote:

Thanks, so it is the ACOP not the regulations themselves. The public consultation:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/co...ndocs/cd241-analysis.pdf (page 17): Showed this result to the question of whether it should be withdrawn: Yes: 102 (48%) and No 112 (54%). So much for democracy!

Oops, copying error. That did not add up. Should have said; 48% yes, 52% no!
alistair  
#8 Posted : 18 July 2013 16:08:56(UTC)
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alistair

When I read the consultation I was astonished.

The plan was to simplify the ACOPs and aim for a maximum of 32-page documents, To replace L21 (which if updated would retain all the info in one document) they are going to direct people to a number of different sources of written guidance and web tools e.g. Health and Safety Made Simple, Essentials, Five Steps to Risk Assessment and Managing for Heath and Safety (HSG65).

Fantastic eh?
JohnW  
#9 Posted : 18 July 2013 16:23:26(UTC)
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JohnW

Meanwhile HSG65 is under revision....

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/hsg65.htm

I received a draft version back in October last year, very different from the very waffly original.

Can't recall any further news, might be something in an HSE ebulletin - must check my Outlook folder for those, see how far behind I am reading them .......
NigelB  
#10 Posted : 18 July 2013 20:55:05(UTC)
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NigelB

Dear All

Just keyed in 'risk assessment' to the HSE Website search engine and got 23,200 'hits'. Thank goodness the 'burden' will be lifted at the end of the month.

For those who welcomed David Young/Chris Grayling/Professor Lofstedt incisive H&S views, this is what it was always going to be about. More disappearing ACoPs to look forward to yet, of course.

At the HSE Construction Industry Advisory Committee (CONIAC) meeting yesterday, the HSE confirmed they have draft regulations, an Impact Assessment and a draft consultation document - apparently draft 32 - but were procedurally inhibited from distributing these to the members!!

Loose lips sink ships!!

All part of the Government's commitment to transparency, no doubt.

Cheers.

Nigel
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