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Our office cleaning lady has been caught with her nose in the bog having a good sniff ( after cleaning it I may add ).
She says it clears her passages?
I have done a coshh assessment and can't see any reason not to let her do this.
Presume this is a common issue that many of you have had to deal with?
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Which passages does it clear?
Think this thread will be ignored.
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If they don't want people to sniff them, why make them smell of pine?
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Agree make them smell of sh
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I don't belieeeeeeeeeve it. Absolutely brilliant...........
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Brilliant
Is it copyrighted or can i steal it ?
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I can't believe you did a COSHH assessment for a cleaning lady sniffing the bog.
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So I guess it is a bit like the hair washing slogan, except it would be:-
Sniff and Go
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Did you hear about the cleaning lady sniffing the toilets, she came over all flushed.....
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This is a claim waiting to come through!
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Hi all
Yeah, I laughed as well!!
But as I laughed I remembered a successful prosecution of a Local Education Authority and a successful Civil claim against the same authority in the early 90s by the cleaner who had been overcome by the combination of urine and cleaning products [urinal blocks and bleach figured largely] in an earthenware urinal trough that had lost the "glaze" and become a sponge and consequently suffered permanent [or sufficiently long-term] ill-health to cause the Education Authority [it was a school] to lose both cases.
Don't allow urinal blocks to be contaminated by bleach was the message!
I'm sure that there have been others - but most of those exposed [I know, a very sad pun] do not have the knowledge or confidence to report the problems.
Frank Hallett
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I can see this thread going down the 'pan'...
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Is it time to put the lid on yet?
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Martin
The cleaner's comment that inhaling the vapour/aroma from the toilet cleaning chemical helped to "clear her passages" suggests that she could well be suffering from an infection/obstruction of her sinuses or part of her respiratory system. Therefore, did you or anyone else think of advising her to consult her doctor? This advice would be especially appropriate if she's had the problem for a considerable time and/or it hasn't responded to conventional decongestants available without prescription from pharmacies.
Another possibility is that she's developed an addiction to the vapour/aroma from one or more constituents of the chemical. A quick internet search under "sniffing toilet bowl cleaner" locates some websites, mostly American, which reveal that some people can get 'hooked' on cleaning agents. Some mention how addicts carry around small bottles of their favourite agent so that they can put a drop or two on a handkerchief or tissue and have a sniff whenever they wish to do so.
It's likely that a proportion of forum users are sceptical/curious as to how your COSHH risk assessment reached a conclusion that it was okay for the cleaner to continue sniffing the chemical in the manner you describe. Did you try contacting the maker/supplier of the chemical? If not, surely it would be worth doing: They may have had similar queries before and thus be able to give you appropriate information. If they haven't then they need to be made aware that the product is vulnerable to misuse by a small minority of users.
If other forum users have encountered or heard of similar scenarios perhaps they will consider responding to say how they tackled the matter or at least indicate that the scenario you describe is not unique. Furthermore, as cleaners tend to work alone and, understandably, will be furtive about any tendency they have to sniff WC cleaning chemicals, the scenario might be more common than most of us would think!
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I totally agree with Graham.
As I've already shown, there is history on this and the facile and dismissive comments otherwise provided indicate to me that there is a lack of understanding about the genuine need to at least investigate how the cleaners actually work and the ways in which the substances used [or to which they are exposed] have been subjected to an effective RA and appropriate controls and expecially supervision. Too many people have no idea what substances are stored on their premises by the contract [and in-house] cleaners.
Cleaners generally are almost invisible until whatever they clean isn't done well enough for the users; and then the cleaner is blamed rather than their superviser or manager. Generally, security of tenure is almost non-existant and wage rates pathetic so they don't raise issues 'cos they have no incentive. Also, for a substantial number of cleaners, the training and subsequent supervision is, at best, minimalist.
Not all hazardous situations are high profile; some are really mundane!!!
Frank Hallett
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Hi kevkel
Yes, I thought the same, but as this is a topic that has subsequently been proven to be beneath so many peoples' RA consideration; I simply couldn't ignore it - but thank you for the reminder.
Perhaps we could move on now?
Frank Hallett
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Wow people really take things wayyyyyy to seriously!
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Are you seriously suggesting that we shouldn't treat this item seriously?
Rodger Ker
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Is that sarcasm Mr. Ker? if not have you have never read one of Martins posts before...
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