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martin1  
#1 Posted : 12 December 2013 15:19:51(UTC)
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martin1

Our office cleaning lady has been caught with her nose in the bog having a good sniff ( after cleaning it I may add ).

She says it clears her passages?

I have done a coshh assessment and can't see any reason not to let her do this.

Presume this is a common issue that many of you have had to deal with?
kevkel  
#2 Posted : 12 December 2013 15:23:53(UTC)
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kevkel

Your a day early Martin!
walker  
#3 Posted : 12 December 2013 15:38:04(UTC)
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walker

Nice one Martin
JJ Prendergast  
#4 Posted : 12 December 2013 16:07:42(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Which passages does it clear?

Think this thread will be ignored.
chris42  
#5 Posted : 12 December 2013 16:14:40(UTC)
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chris42

If they don't want people to sniff them, why make them smell of pine?
SW  
#6 Posted : 12 December 2013 17:41:31(UTC)
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SW

Agree make them smell of sh
Victor Meldrew  
#7 Posted : 13 December 2013 12:24:30(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

I don't belieeeeeeeeeve it. Absolutely brilliant...........
peter gotch  
#8 Posted : 13 December 2013 12:48:12(UTC)
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peter gotch

A bit of just clean fun?
matelot1965  
#9 Posted : 31 December 2013 22:45:43(UTC)
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matelot1965

Brilliant

Is it copyrighted or can i steal it ?
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 01 January 2014 01:06:08(UTC)
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firesafety101

I can't believe you did a COSHH assessment for a cleaning lady sniffing the bog.
chris42  
#11 Posted : 01 January 2014 16:35:29(UTC)
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chris42

So I guess it is a bit like the hair washing slogan, except it would be:-

Sniff and Go
Mr.Flibble  
#12 Posted : 02 January 2014 11:54:28(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Did you hear about the cleaning lady sniffing the toilets, she came over all flushed.....
bob youel  
#13 Posted : 02 January 2014 12:17:44(UTC)
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bob youel

This is a claim waiting to come through!
Frank Hallett  
#14 Posted : 06 January 2014 16:20:09(UTC)
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Frank Hallett

Hi all

Yeah, I laughed as well!!

But as I laughed I remembered a successful prosecution of a Local Education Authority and a successful Civil claim against the same authority in the early 90s by the cleaner who had been overcome by the combination of urine and cleaning products [urinal blocks and bleach figured largely] in an earthenware urinal trough that had lost the "glaze" and become a sponge and consequently suffered permanent [or sufficiently long-term] ill-health to cause the Education Authority [it was a school] to lose both cases.

Don't allow urinal blocks to be contaminated by bleach was the message!

I'm sure that there have been others - but most of those exposed [I know, a very sad pun] do not have the knowledge or confidence to report the problems.

Frank Hallett
RP  
#15 Posted : 06 January 2014 18:35:50(UTC)
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RP

I can see this thread going down the 'pan'...
firesafety101  
#16 Posted : 06 January 2014 18:40:38(UTC)
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firesafety101

Is it time to put the lid on yet?
alan w houghton  
#17 Posted : 07 January 2014 08:20:30(UTC)
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alan w houghton

I smell a rat
Graham Bullough  
#18 Posted : 07 January 2014 09:46:31(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Martin

The cleaner's comment that inhaling the vapour/aroma from the toilet cleaning chemical helped to "clear her passages" suggests that she could well be suffering from an infection/obstruction of her sinuses or part of her respiratory system. Therefore, did you or anyone else think of advising her to consult her doctor? This advice would be especially appropriate if she's had the problem for a considerable time and/or it hasn't responded to conventional decongestants available without prescription from pharmacies.

Another possibility is that she's developed an addiction to the vapour/aroma from one or more constituents of the chemical. A quick internet search under "sniffing toilet bowl cleaner" locates some websites, mostly American, which reveal that some people can get 'hooked' on cleaning agents. Some mention how addicts carry around small bottles of their favourite agent so that they can put a drop or two on a handkerchief or tissue and have a sniff whenever they wish to do so.

It's likely that a proportion of forum users are sceptical/curious as to how your COSHH risk assessment reached a conclusion that it was okay for the cleaner to continue sniffing the chemical in the manner you describe. Did you try contacting the maker/supplier of the chemical? If not, surely it would be worth doing: They may have had similar queries before and thus be able to give you appropriate information. If they haven't then they need to be made aware that the product is vulnerable to misuse by a small minority of users.

If other forum users have encountered or heard of similar scenarios perhaps they will consider responding to say how they tackled the matter or at least indicate that the scenario you describe is not unique. Furthermore, as cleaners tend to work alone and, understandably, will be furtive about any tendency they have to sniff WC cleaning chemicals, the scenario might be more common than most of us would think!
Frank Hallett  
#19 Posted : 07 January 2014 10:11:53(UTC)
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Frank Hallett

I totally agree with Graham.

As I've already shown, there is history on this and the facile and dismissive comments otherwise provided indicate to me that there is a lack of understanding about the genuine need to at least investigate how the cleaners actually work and the ways in which the substances used [or to which they are exposed] have been subjected to an effective RA and appropriate controls and expecially supervision. Too many people have no idea what substances are stored on their premises by the contract [and in-house] cleaners.

Cleaners generally are almost invisible until whatever they clean isn't done well enough for the users; and then the cleaner is blamed rather than their superviser or manager. Generally, security of tenure is almost non-existant and wage rates pathetic so they don't raise issues 'cos they have no incentive. Also, for a substantial number of cleaners, the training and subsequent supervision is, at best, minimalist.

Not all hazardous situations are high profile; some are really mundane!!!

Frank Hallett
Frank Hallett  
#20 Posted : 07 January 2014 10:42:52(UTC)
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Frank Hallett

Hi kevkel

Yes, I thought the same, but as this is a topic that has subsequently been proven to be beneath so many peoples' RA consideration; I simply couldn't ignore it - but thank you for the reminder.

Perhaps we could move on now?

Frank Hallett
Mr.Flibble  
#21 Posted : 07 January 2014 15:40:03(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Wow people really take things wayyyyyy to seriously!
rodgerker  
#22 Posted : 07 January 2014 16:44:16(UTC)
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rodgerker

Are you seriously suggesting that we shouldn't treat this item seriously?

Rodger Ker
Mr.Flibble  
#23 Posted : 07 January 2014 17:56:16(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Is that sarcasm Mr. Ker? if not have you have never read one of Martins posts before...
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