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Does anyone know if there is an upper limit for the noise when a domestis washing machine is spinning ?
I have had a look and find 90dba is a motor bike and lawn mower but nothing for washing machine.
Our machine spins at 95 dba according to the iphone app.
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To be pedantic - I don't think your washing machine spins at 95dBa..... more like 800-1000RPM (revolutions per minute). It produces noise at 95dBa.
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What difference does it make? The machine spins for about 5 minutes if that, used 3 times a week no harm will come to anyone.
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I would be more worried if the man next door was a bruiser and came round to complain.
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With noise, it is not about an item "giving out" a noise level (such as, in this case 85 dB). What counts, is the level of noise AT THE EAR LEVEL OF A PERSON. Note that, with any physical hazard, the greater the distance, the lower the risk, due to the inverse squares law.
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BS EN 60335-2-7:2010+A11:2013 is about "Household and similar electrical appliances. Safety. Particular requirements for washing machines" http://shop.bsigroup.com.../?pid=000000000030261334You can preview the first 8-9 pages online free--including the contents page----nothing specific about noise. A quick scan of the specifications of any washing machine marketed in EU inform that the nominal noise levels are part of the specification--most instructions highlight what to do if there is "Abnormal Noise" http://www.ukwhitegoods....0-appliance-sound-levels
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Is it Friday already?
Seriously - is there a claim to Indesit in the offing?
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Ian Bell2 wrote:To be pedantic - I don't think your washing machine spins at 95dBa..... more like 800-1000RPM (revolutions per minute). It produces noise at 95dBa. Ian have you changed your name or are you the second Bell on this forum. I got into trouble with the mods last time I responded to one of your silly posts so will be careful this time, but yes you are a pedantic smart ass, is there really any need for that. I thought this was a forum for professional.
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Invictus wrote:What difference does it make? The machine spins for about 5 minutes if that, used 3 times a week no harm will come to anyone. I can see you don't do the laundry in your house Invictus haha. Our machine has a 9 minute spin at 1500 rpm. It is used about 6 times every day due to the large amount of laundry required looking after a disable person and a family of 4 who all change their clothes every day. We obviously are not all as fortunate as yourself.
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Watcher wrote:Is it Friday already?
Seriously - is there a claim to Indesit in the offing?
<disclaimer: other brands are available> Another useless post by yet another smart ass. I only asked what I thought was a simple question hoping someone would have a decent answer. Watcher what made you think there was a claim on the way? I'm sure the mods will be on my case now and issue the RED card.
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Jay wrote:BS EN 60335-2-7:2010+A11:2013 is about "Household and similar electrical appliances. Safety. Particular requirements for washing machines" http://shop.bsigroup.com.../?pid=000000000030261334You can preview the first 8-9 pages online free--including the contents page----nothing specific about noise. A quick scan of the specifications of any washing machine marketed in EU inform that the nominal noise levels are part of the specification--most instructions highlight what to do if there is "Abnormal Noise" http://www.ukwhitegoods....0-appliance-sound-levels Jay many thanks for your answer, a very useful piece of information I am sure, however the page on the website is now down until 2200 hrs. I'll have a look tomorrow. Just not my day is it haha.
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Just a point to make - I have a sound level meter costing about a grand. I'm not sure that I would trust a phone app to measure sound pressure. 95dbA seems to be high for a washing machine, is it a new machine? are the bearings worn, has it been overloaded over a period of time?
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Toe, good questions.
I also do not trust the phone app however it does give a decent idea of the sound level.
The machine is just over a year old and out of the guarantee however the supplier sent an engineer out a month ago and he replaced the drum.
It seemed to be unbalanced as it spun.
Same again and I think the unbalance is causing the drum to catch at it turns. The faster it spins the louder it gets. My wife and I have to shout to each other in the kitchen when it is spinning.
Engineer called out again for Monday.
All I want to know is - "is there a maximum level for a domestic washing machine"?
Thank you.
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Toe wrote:Just a point to make - I have a sound level meter costing about a grand. I'm not sure that I would trust a phone app to measure sound pressure. 95dbA seems to be high for a washing machine, is it a new machine? are the bearings worn, has it been overloaded over a period of time? I have used my Iphone noise meter on many occasions and once compared it with a proper sound level meter device, the difference was negligible. Useful for ad hoc readings. I once used it in a company van I was driving which due to a roof ladder was making a hell of a racket. Depending on my speed it was measuring in excess of 90 dbA! Never used it again. I don't think 95dbA is excessively high if you measure up close. these things do make a hell of racket, especially on slab in a small enclosure like a kitchen. A normal conversation of a human voice measures if I recall correctly 60-70 dbA.
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Your right, I guess, as an indication you may be able to use an app for an initial level reading. However, this could not be used in any way in a noise assessment. Even an expensive SLM has to be calibrated before each use.
Just got my meter from my car and the wife has put on a washing....TBC......
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Ray did you see what I wrote about the level of noise from a motor bike. That is less than our washing machine. I don't fancy starting up a motor bike in the kitchen, although I do know of people who have done that from my time in the fire brigade.
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FS101. I can't easily find any reference to maximums for you. Probably because it should/couldn't reach harmful levels in normal operation as designed.
However if the machine is that new then the tested noise levels should be shown on the product fiche sheet (or the energy label that is stuck on the thing when it arrives).
If you have, like most of us, chucked that piece of paper then you can go to the manufacturers website and get it from there.
Given the reason for your question I would suggest that your readings are an order of magnitude greater than any 'spec' you will find for the average domestic washer. Most are in the range of 50-75 dB(A) depending on the cycle. Tests are done on full load 60 cotton wash and spin.
So rather than chase down the elusive max why not go with that fact? There is clearly something not right.
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Thanks for the comment.
SO would you like to buy 3m of petrol..... meaningless - just like something spinning at 95dBA is meaningless.
What's wrong with being scientifically correct when quoting a unit of measurement?
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FireSafety101 wrote:Watcher wrote:Is it Friday already?
Seriously - is there a claim to Indesit in the offing?
<disclaimer: other brands are available> Another useless post by yet another smart ass. I only asked what I thought was a simple question hoping someone would have a decent answer. Watcher what made you think there was a claim on the way? I'm sure the mods will be on my case now and issue the RED card. Talking of pointless posts ....noise levels of a washing machine? seriously. This forum never ceases to amaze me.
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Can anyone tell me when the Health and Safety in Your kitchen Act came out? would this be covered by PUWER oh no because that covers work equipment. Although it should always be a last resort maybe you could issue ear defenders for the 54 minutes per day. or here is an idea close the doors and sit in another room.
According to the daily calculator on HSE web, the daily noise level 95 x 1 hour (couldn't do the 54 mins) works out at 86dB per day, I am assuming that veryone is in and standing in the area were the washing machine is for the full 6x9 cycles. If this assumption is not correct then I believe that the noise levels subject too are less.
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I think I see a trend developing here.
The OP has already had problems with the machine, he is exploring the H&S significance of the perceived fault.
We have been here before.
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walker wrote:I think I see a trend developing here.
The OP has already had problems with the machine, he is exploring the H&S significance of the perceived fault.
We have been here before. Meow!
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Hmm, I think it's a valid query and worth pursuing. And there are H&S at work considerations regarding the noise levels of doemstic washing machines. My previous employer had a number of purely domestic appliances used for therapeutic purposes, in what OTs call activities of daily living. These are used by people at work and such arrangements are not espacially unusual. If we'd had one at 95dB we'd have taken steps. 75 is much more like it, I'm with FS in thinkning that there is a fault here,
John
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jwk wrote:Hmm, I think it's a valid query and worth pursuing. And there are H&S at work considerations regarding the noise levels of doemstic washing machines. My previous employer had a number of purely domestic appliances used for therapeutic purposes, in what OTs call activities of daily living. These are used by people at work and such arrangements are not espacially unusual. If we'd had one at 95dB we'd have taken steps. 75 is much more like it, I'm with FS in thinkning that there is a fault here,
John This is being used in his house, if it was in a workplace that is different. In a house they do not all stand around it while it spins, they may walk in and out and in the 9 mins will probaly be by it for seconds, except when they are cooking.
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This does not state a value and is voluntary in the UK, but may be maditory in other countries, so their product spec is likely to include it on a website From https://www.gov.uk/guida...ssion-product-directivesHousehold Appliances (Noise Emission) Regulations The Household Appliances (Noise Emission) Regulations 1990 (SI 1990/161) as amended implements into UK law the provisions of Council Directive 86/594/EEC. Overview The Household Appliances (Noise Emission) Regulations1990 as amended implements into UK law the provisions of Council Directive 86/594/EEC. The regulations apply to household appliances supplied by way of sale, lease, hire or hire-purchase consisting of any machine, part of a machine or installation manufactured principally for use in dwellings, including cellars, garages and other outbuildings. Am I affected? Application of the regulations by manufacturers is voluntary, and they are therefore not legally required to provide information on the airborne noise emitted by a product in the UK. However, if a manufacturer wishes to refer to the level of airborne noise emitted by an appliance in its marketing, then it must apply the provisions of the regulations. Although application of the UK regulations is voluntary, manufacturers should be aware other member states may require mandatory application of the requirements in their national legislation. Chris
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It's interesting to see posters putting their own spin on this subject.
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RayRapp wrote:It's interesting to see posters putting their own spin on this subject. it'll all come out in the wash.
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Hi Invictus,
I know it's being used in his house; just pointing out that there is a legitimate workplace interest in the noise levels produced by domestic washing machines. Some posters seem to have assumed that there could be no H&S at work angle here; well, in my view there is,
John
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jwk wrote:Hi Invictus,
I know it's being used in his house; just pointing out that there is a legitimate workplace interest in the noise levels produced by domestic washing machines. Some posters seem to have assumed that there could be no H&S at work angle here; well, in my view there is,
John The only link is that domestic appliances can be used in work! In a case by case this is not a H&S issue as H&S doesn't cover domestic premises. But I am happy to agree to disagree.
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Invictus wrote:RayRapp wrote:It's interesting to see posters putting their own spin on this subject. it'll all come out in the wash. Getting a bit Humdrum (Sorry Firesafety101)
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Chris42 wrote:Invictus wrote:RayRapp wrote:It's interesting to see posters putting their own spin on this subject. it'll all come out in the wash. Getting a bit Humdrum (Sorry Firesafety101) It's now getting too close for 'Comfort'
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Invictus wrote:Chris42 wrote:Invictus wrote:RayRapp wrote:It's interesting to see posters putting their own spin on this subject. it'll all come out in the wash. Getting a bit Humdrum (Sorry Firesafety101) It's now getting too close for 'Comfort' I think the 'Tide' has turned from a serious post to a Friday one!
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Invictus wrote:Chris42 wrote:Invictus wrote:RayRapp wrote:It's interesting to see posters putting their own spin on this subject. it'll all come out in the wash. Getting a bit Humdrum (Sorry Firesafety101) It's now getting too close for 'Comfort' 'Persil'nally I think this was a serious post, bit powerdery on the H&S front. But we have an open door policy. But I think we will keep going around and around.
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Firesafety,
A trip to your local white goods emporium will demonstrate that each and every new machine is required to display the noise level - the same label which gives the energy rating etc. This is usually duplicated in the Owner's Handbook.
The Noise level applies to a new machine and there will no doubt be artificial constraints relevant to the test method, etc.
A well-used household machine loaded up with wet towels on an uneven floor, in intermittent contact with a worktop or kitchen unit etc. will beat the manufacturer's published figures by a handsome margin.
Is there a limit for that in use level of noise? No
Can washing machines be an annoyance to neighbours? Yes - particularly if you run them at night.
Would I have any faith in a noise level given by a smart-phone app? Nope.
Hope this helps
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FireSafety101 wrote:Watcher wrote:Is it Friday already?
Seriously - is there a claim to Indesit in the offing?
<disclaimer: other brands are available> Another useless post by yet another smart ass. I only asked what I thought was a simple question hoping someone would have a decent answer. Watcher what made you think there was a claim on the way? I'm sure the mods will be on my case now and issue the RED card. Name calling? Not unexpected, to be honest. What are your views on the noise nuisance of those pesky singing santa things? It's Health & Safety, innit.
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walker wrote:I think I see a trend developing here.
The OP has already had problems with the machine, he is exploring the H&S significance of the perceived fault.
We have been here before. Kerchiiiingggg ;-)
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Watcher wrote:walker wrote:I think I see a trend developing here.
The OP has already had problems with the machine, he is exploring the H&S significance of the perceived fault.
We have been here before. Kerchiiiingggg ;-) I think we have!
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quote=Andrew W Walker] Invictus wrote:Chris42 wrote:Invictus wrote:RayRapp wrote:It's interesting to see posters putting their own spin on this subject. it'll all come out in the wash. Getting a bit Humdrum (Sorry Firesafety101) It's now getting too close for 'Comfort' I think the 'Tide' has turned from a serious post to a Friday one! No reason there can't be a little of both, I also posted a more sensible reply. I do agree with Ray though, that I have had noise issues and the floor / it touching a cupboard which acted as a amplifier was not helping the situation. I'm sure FireSafety101 has looked at that though. They would not have changed the drum if there had not been a problem. Everything is made as cheaply as possible, so it just about lasts the 5 years expected lifetime, they may think less now. Sometimes they even deliberately have a component on a circuit board that they can almost guarantee will fail at a given point. I can remember when you used to have a TV repair man, now throw away and buy new. If the engineer thinks there is still a problem, rather than another repair have your money back and by a different one if possible. Vote with your feet. Chris
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