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bigpub  
#1 Posted : 01 June 2016 09:32:59(UTC)
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bigpub

Does anybody know of any exemptions in which an F10 does not need to be submitted or indeed issued by the client. I understand the 500 person days and 20 persons and 30 day criteria. But if say we are at 500 person days are there any exemptions?
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 01 June 2016 10:55:16(UTC)
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RayRapp

No exemptions that I'm aware. If the project meets the threshold criteria, then it's Notifiable.
MEden380  
#3 Posted : 01 June 2016 11:23:39(UTC)
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MEden380

Can we ask why you do not want to submit an F10?
bigpub  
#4 Posted : 02 June 2016 08:24:21(UTC)
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bigpub

It's ot me who doesn't want to submit it's the clients advisor
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 02 June 2016 08:32:49(UTC)
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RayRapp

Really can't see what's the big deal in submitting an F10 report.
bigpub  
#6 Posted : 02 June 2016 08:50:04(UTC)
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bigpub

Neither can i
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 02 June 2016 12:51:45(UTC)
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RayRapp

Sounds like a fun client - good luck.
SP900308  
#8 Posted : 02 June 2016 13:25:23(UTC)
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SP900308

Unless I'm mistaken issuing of an F10 is not actually statutory requirement.....

Details about the information that should be notified are set out in Schedule 1
of CDM 2015.

Capture this information and provide it to HSE / ORR in what format you choose and this obligation is fulfilled!

I stand to be corrected?

Simon
bigpub  
#9 Posted : 02 June 2016 15:47:11(UTC)
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bigpub

Good point but it does say notification. I'm sure the only way to do this now is via the Web. And the only thing I can find on the web is an F10 on the HSE website. But that's irrelevant really. The client didn't want to notify.
SP900308  
#10 Posted : 03 June 2016 08:47:23(UTC)
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SP900308

bigpub wrote:
The client didn't want to notify.


No one particularly wants to pay for car insurance, vehicle license, council tax etc....

However, I'm sure the client doesn't want potential prosecution either?

As Ray says "sounds like a fun client - good luck!"
MEden380  
#11 Posted : 03 June 2016 09:23:52(UTC)
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MEden380

Failure to to notify a project if it meets the criteria is a breach of Reg 6 CDM Regs 2015.
The F10 is the simplest way to do this on line. However, as long as you provide the information as per schedule 1 in L153 and send it to the HSE (by letter or fax) and display the information on the construction site you are complying with the regulations.
So far your client is in breach of two regulations, how many more?
No Pre-construction information
No construction H&S plan
H&S File
Adequate provision for welfare facilities
I would suggest you see if the client's advisor is a member of any professional body and report their incompetence
bigpub  
#12 Posted : 03 June 2016 09:39:41(UTC)
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bigpub

We do have a PCI plan and we have a minimum amount of welfare, so we have that but I am a bit unsure about the advice
SP900308  
#13 Posted : 03 June 2016 10:16:21(UTC)
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SP900308

bigpub wrote:
We do have a PCI plan and we have a minimum amount of welfare, so we have that but I am a bit unsure about the advice


CDM2015 Regulation 6 requires: "Where a project is notifiable, the client must give notice in writing to the Executive as soon as is practicable before the construction phase begins...."

How far into the project have you got based on the above quote?
bigpub  
#14 Posted : 03 June 2016 11:26:16(UTC)
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bigpub

Its started. I was checking why an F10 wasn't issued and I have now found out that there are only 7 people on site and it lasts 2 months
SP900308  
#15 Posted : 03 June 2016 11:48:29(UTC)
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SP900308

bigpub wrote:
Its started. I was checking why an F10 wasn't issued and I have now found out that there are only 7 people on site and it lasts 2 months


Everybody stand down...... it's a happy ending after all!
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