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jay  
#1 Posted : 05 July 2016 14:29:22(UTC)
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jay

It appears that both the HSE and DWP have been silent about The Control of Electromagnetic Fields at Work Regulations 2016 that came into force on 1st July 2016. I wonder how many of us know about this and also, whether it matters or not due to Brexit. My professional view is that until UK Parliament formally either removes/amends the EU originating regulations, we should not ignore it--not that the implementation of the Control of Electromagnetic Fields at Work Regulations 2016 will be a priority for the HSE. However, those of us who have OHASA 18001 /Equivalent have to recognise that Regulatory Compliance is a requirement http://www.legislation.g...i/2016/588/contents/made http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg281.pdf
Kate  
#2 Posted : 05 July 2016 15:12:19(UTC)
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Kate

It is UK law regardless of recent political events. The HSE have been low-key about it as they never cared about it in the first place. Their guidance makes clear that they don't think it adds anything substantial to existing legislation and won't make any practical difference. However I have checked that electromagnetic fields are covered in all our processes (eg hazard prompts) where they could be relevant.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 05 July 2016 15:33:07(UTC)
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RayRapp

Agree with Kate, hardly a show stopper in the wider context.
gerrysharpe  
#4 Posted : 05 July 2016 18:26:57(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Perhaps if a workplace has a bit extra EMF we could blame it on Ghosts ? Just a thought!!
stuie  
#5 Posted : 05 July 2016 20:20:10(UTC)
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stuie

We have some processes that we will need to show (for the aforementioned 18001 accreditation) that we have risk assessed; we are proposing to use some readily available assessment software (at a cost) that has been created specifically for this we will then be able to make a judgement call as to whether we then go the whole hog and get the actual readings from the equipment where risk is high. I attended an HSE run event a few years ago and the only risk that I was made aware of from exposure to EMF was the potential for a person to experience 'flashing lights' in their eyes for the duration of their exposure; given that our welding processes have an EMF generating current generally for less than a second we don't see this as an issue. The main concern I think was a secondary problem - eg fall from height as opposed to the 'flashing lights' which incidentally no other members in the conference owned up to ever having an employee claim to have suffered from the 'flashing lights'. As Kate says the HSE were very lukewarm about the whole thing and have almost IMHO left it to industry to generate the legislation as they were not sure (no real technical experts?) about what to do with the directive - I could have suggested somewhere to put it :-)
Safety Smurf  
#6 Posted : 05 July 2016 20:46:45(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Why has this been snuck in July? if it's not that important (and I agree it probably isn't), why not wait until the normal six monthly windows of April and October?
walker  
#7 Posted : 06 July 2016 07:46:32(UTC)
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walker

Anyone looked at the significance of this regarding Welding I am advising there isnt any really, but certain folks are demanding i back up my opinions with evidence.
chris42  
#8 Posted : 06 July 2016 09:40:08(UTC)
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chris42

I remember the welding engineer where I previously worked getting excited about this issue. However just checked and the Weld institute info is a few years old now (2013). http://www.twi-global.co...m-welding-processes-132/ I seem to recall it stalled for quite a while as there was a problem with Hospital scanners (MRI ?) and how were they going to deal with it in that situation. Chris
walker  
#9 Posted : 06 July 2016 10:02:17(UTC)
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walker

Thanks Chris Useful
stuie  
#10 Posted : 06 July 2016 10:13:36(UTC)
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stuie

Hi Walker; we have some manual welding processes and the link Chris has provided will give you a clue as to how we propose to comply with the Regs. HSE have not yet said definitively if using the software will be enough to comply. We propose to do the assessments and then if any flag up as high risk then we will either measure the EMF or look to move the operator out of the affected zones (which are really quite close to the equipment in our case) some small adjustment of position (?150/200mm) will we think be enough to remove operators from danger zones. Danger zones which may not in real terms pose a significant danger - particularly when compared to some of our other tasks and process. Not a waste of my time as it is good CPD:-) and no doubt our 18001 auditor will be looking for us to comply. HTH - please contact me if you want any further info as one of our guys has been quite involved in this as welding/joining is his specialty. Stu
Swygart25604  
#11 Posted : 06 July 2016 13:12:33(UTC)
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Swygart25604

It hasn't been ignored by the HSE. I am on the British Plastics Federation's Industrial H&S Committee and this has been a subject of interest there due to high frequency plastic welding techniques. Admittedly these machines would not trouble the scorers with regard to the fields generated by those processes, but nevertheless it has been made known to those industries that could be affected,
peter gotch  
#12 Posted : 06 July 2016 13:40:25(UTC)
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peter gotch

Safety Smurf. Implemented on the deadline for parent Directive. If we had brought the regs in April (the sensible solution) we'd have "gold-plated" the Directive (THAT would never do). IOSH has gone all Oz today. Security Image - bEAUt
andrewcl  
#13 Posted : 06 July 2016 16:05:06(UTC)
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andrewcl

EMF Regs? Unbelievable! Think about it - it's quite subtle! If you can't make it informative, make it entertaining! ;-)
Ron Hunter  
#14 Posted : 06 July 2016 17:18:24(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

As opposed to the KLF Regulations, which are both justified, and ancient? ;-) Onwards to MuMu land.......................
stuie  
#15 Posted : 07 July 2016 08:39:19(UTC)
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stuie

Or the 'ABC' Regs? Which have a look of love about them? I'll get my coat. S
Ron Hunter  
#16 Posted : 07 July 2016 12:12:30(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The REM Regulations will provide a relevant answer to the question "What's the Frequency...." Thanks to Mr Durrington for that one. No, his name isn't Kenneth. I look forward to the XTC Regs - anyone?
stuie  
#17 Posted : 07 July 2016 12:31:17(UTC)
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stuie

Apparently there are plans for the XTC regs - Nigel has them?
andrewcl  
#18 Posted : 07 July 2016 15:14:25(UTC)
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andrewcl

ELO regs... Shine a little love (but be careful of the frequencies that you are shining, obviously...) P.S. What have I started...?! :-)
chas  
#19 Posted : 07 July 2016 16:15:51(UTC)
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chas

This is all Madness. It's not even Friday yet.....!
Ian Bell2  
#20 Posted : 08 July 2016 09:36:49(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Mr G Numan in the 1980's said 'Are friends electric', which would would possibly be at 50Hz or maybe more for special friends.
Mebo  
#21 Posted : 08 July 2016 09:41:08(UTC)
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Mebo

stuie wrote:
Apparently there are plans for the XTC regs - Nigel has them?
I wouldn't trust Nigel's plans. He thought there was a future in a British Steel.
Ron Hunter  
#22 Posted : 08 July 2016 13:14:20(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Maybe OMD's "Tesla Girls" can sort this out...............
matelot1965  
#23 Posted : 08 July 2016 23:42:39(UTC)
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matelot1965

AC/DC regs - mmm seems like a touch to much
Ian Bell2  
#24 Posted : 09 July 2016 00:58:15(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

And also on the Highway to Hell with a Whole Lotta Rosie for company.
paul.skyrme  
#25 Posted : 09 July 2016 12:47:34(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Perhaps some Led might protect you from this, & ending up on the Stairway to Heaven?... ]:)
stuie  
#26 Posted : 09 July 2016 19:30:30(UTC)
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stuie

Breaking news - HSE propose new Regs to cover Fall Arrest Equipment - there are rumours it will be called the 'UB40 - I got You Babe' Regs.
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