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Zanshin67  
#1 Posted : 07 July 2016 20:00:17(UTC)
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Zanshin67

Dear all I have been tasked to provide a brief update in respect of the changes of fines and court sentencing can anyone help please thanks
Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 07 July 2016 22:04:56(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Quite an interesting history of posts... all seeking help with... So when I was asked a similar question when I mentioned the new sentencing guidelines I downloaded the document and picked out the matters most relevant for my audience (business size, potential outcomes and culpability based on the current position). Did help that Merlin had decided to plead guilty over the Alton Towers crash so I was able to put a hypothetical outcome which we await the September sentencing to confirm
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 07 July 2016 22:04:56(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Quite an interesting history of posts... all seeking help with... So when I was asked a similar question when I mentioned the new sentencing guidelines I downloaded the document and picked out the matters most relevant for my audience (business size, potential outcomes and culpability based on the current position). Did help that Merlin had decided to plead guilty over the Alton Towers crash so I was able to put a hypothetical outcome which we await the September sentencing to confirm
Invictus  
#4 Posted : 08 July 2016 07:46:43(UTC)
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Invictus

Suppose you could try this from the HSE http://www.hse.gov.uk/se...0database&gsc.page=1
jodieclark1510  
#5 Posted : 08 July 2016 08:26:21(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

there is an iosh magazine webinar on Monday 11th regarding sentencing guidelines and the new era of penalties which may help
Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 08 July 2016 08:26:24(UTC)
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Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 08 July 2016 08:26:24(UTC)
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Rees21880  
#8 Posted : 08 July 2016 09:04:04(UTC)
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Rees21880

Hi Jodie Any idea where the details of the webinar are located as I cant seem to find anything via the IOSH website? If possible, can they be PMd to me, please? Ta Pete
Rees21880  
#9 Posted : 08 July 2016 09:11:54(UTC)
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Rees21880

Don't worry as I've found it via google but am surprised that there isn't an obvious link from this website. Also, the ridiculous re-posting restriction is frustrating....first I'm told that I can't repost for "7 seconds" then second attempt "21 seconds"!!!
Zanshin67  
#10 Posted : 09 July 2016 10:53:29(UTC)
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Zanshin67

Thanks for your replies everyone
djupnorth  
#11 Posted : 09 July 2016 17:55:00(UTC)
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djupnorth

Hi all. Can I suggest that when talking about the increase in fines resulting from the new Sentencing Guidelines that you also include a) the prosecutions investigation (FFI) and defence costs and defence legal costs, which together generally exceed the level of the fine, particularly where the HSE and defendant are represented at any Inquest. While defence costs are often covered by insurance, the organisation's premiums will rise (generally to allow the insurer to recover its costs within 5 years). In general, the premiums do not return to their pre-incident position due to the increased risk the organisation poses. Finally, don't forget the victim surcharge that is imposed by the courts in criminal/regulatory cases. I have just finished a case where a £300,000 fine was imposed and costs (defence and prosecution) exceeded £500,000. Dealing with fines alone only gives part of the story. I hope this helps. DJ
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