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Beattie  
#1 Posted : 29 August 2016 14:00:20(UTC)
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Beattie

Hi there I am looking to start a new career in H&S. I have been looking into a some of the qualifications on offer (mainly the Nebosh diploma and the NCRQ diploma) and am looking for some advice on which one would be best? Also looking for any advice on the how best to gain more experience? Or if there is any other qualifications that I could look at doing that would be beneficial to me getting a start in H&S? Thanks Greg
paulw71  
#2 Posted : 31 August 2016 14:55:27(UTC)
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paulw71

Greg Think this question has been done to death now. A quick search of the forum will probably throw up about 30 people asking the same questions with answers ranging from the ""dont bother, its already an profession with more qualified people than jobs to go round" to the quite supportive. Im in the "dont bother" camp but best of luck to you whatever you decide.
Binniem  
#3 Posted : 31 August 2016 16:31:09(UTC)
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Binniem

Greg, I'd say go for it, and if you are inexperienced i'd definitely recommend the NCRQ route. what industries/sctors have you previously worked in and in what capacity?
Ian Bell2  
#4 Posted : 31 August 2016 16:45:45(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I'm with paulw71. I had the generous proposal today from a recruitment agency to work in London for £300/day.... I'll let you decide if thats a good contract rate, for a supposedly professional area of employment.
walker  
#5 Posted : 01 September 2016 08:38:14(UTC)
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walker

If you like to wear a suit and go to meetings its an OK career. The days when our priority to make the workplace a safer environment are now over unless you are prepared to remain in a junior postion forever.
WatsonD  
#6 Posted : 01 September 2016 09:24:46(UTC)
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WatsonD

Firstly, ignore the ones who tell you not to do it. If you feel that it is what you want to do then go for it and make it work for you. There are many who evolve their careers and move into new fields, and the workplace is all the better for it. Can I suggest you look seriously at the Nebosh/ NCRQ qualifications, they are both designed to give you a real in-depth knowledge albeit in very different ways. Do some serious research on the courses and make sure you are choosing the right one for the right reasons. (I appreciate my comments may be controversial to some - but I don't think cost or difficulty should be a deciding factor). Look for opportunities to volunteer or gain work experience. (School Governors, local charities etc). Polish your CV and get involved with IOSH where you can meet people in the industry. Like all industries it takes time and work to get into, and you will be playing catch-up with others with more experience, but you will have transferable skills also. You will, however, need a bit of drive and determination. Good luck!
Ian Bell2  
#7 Posted : 01 September 2016 13:52:02(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Why should those who advise not to work in h&s be ignored? Anybody new considering taking the NEBOSH Diploma etc, should be made aware what working in the safety world is like, the state of the job market etc, likely financial rewards etc - before spending quite a considerable amount of money on training courses etc.
WatsonD  
#8 Posted : 02 September 2016 07:51:21(UTC)
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WatsonD

Ian Bell2 wrote:
Why should those who advise not to work in h&s be ignored? Anybody new considering taking the NEBOSH Diploma etc, should be made aware what working in the safety world is like, the state of the job market etc, likely financial rewards etc - before spending quite a considerable amount of money on training courses etc.
Ian, To start off, that was not the question asked. The question asked was regarding training. I have come into this industry after working across others. It has taken me time to find my niche and I don't see this industry as being in any better of worse state than any of the others I have worked around. There are good and bad employers. There are different challenges, but no industry is without them.
Ian Bell2  
#9 Posted : 02 September 2016 14:40:01(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Diagree. Before committing quite a few £'s I would want to know what working in h&s was like, if it was worth the study required etc. Except for a few, there are much better paid jobs/careers around in which to invest money into training courses etc than h&s. I would be thankful if someone told me that before spending money.
gerrysharpe  
#10 Posted : 04 September 2016 11:29:46(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Ian Bell2 wrote:
I would be thankful if someone told me that before spending money.
"Yes H&S is a great career and i'm loving it i'm making loads of money" Is this what you want to hear?? As with any job you want to take, you need to do a bit of researching and seeing which part of Health and Safety you want to be involved in, there are so many different sectors that you could spend your whole career in environmental Health, or you may want to go into Construction H&S or just occupational H&S Only you can decide what you want to do otherwise its like me asking a load of builders, "i want to go into Construction, Whats it like" I would say, do some research, Read up online and decide what sector you want to go, Then look at the different courses and add ons for that particular pathway. Only when you have it clear in your head what you would like to do can you decide what training is best for you and your Career I'm working Construction and Yes whilst you can get around £300 a day you will be expected to have a considerable amount of experience and Knowledge, and perhaps a Trade yourself. The Nebosh Course offers a Construction add on which is invaluable to this sector but a waste if you want to go into environmental H&S and work for local authorities. So to Recap, 1. Decide if you want to Go into H&S 2. Look at all the different sectors and decide if any are suitable for you 3. Research and find everything you can about that Particular Sector 4. Plan and look at the different courses that would benefit your chosen sector 5. Gain work experience in that sector be it voluntary or paid, you can do the exams but its experience that gets you the Job. Whilst your saying you want to spend an x amount of money on your training, that alone will not help if you've got absolutely no experience. For some people this is a a nightmare scenario, unless you can get experience. Good luck
Ian Bell2  
#11 Posted : 04 September 2016 13:20:59(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I would point out, the £300/day I mentioned previously was on a freelance basis working as a Ltd company. Unless within commuting distance a deduction for accommodation needs to be factored in. Also company taxes needs to be deducted. So £300 is pretty pathetic and in my view, not commercially viable.
Beattie  
#12 Posted : 05 September 2016 07:00:20(UTC)
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Beattie

Binniem wrote:
Greg, I'd say go for it, and if you are inexperienced i'd definitely recommend the NCRQ route. what industries/sctors have you previously worked in and in what capacity?
Benniem Thanks for commenting. Thats what I was thinking, after doing a bit of research I am favouring the NCRQ (my experience is limited). I am working in the oil and gas industry, as a Rope Access Insulation Engineer at the moment. I am interested in trying to get into that sector.
Beattie  
#13 Posted : 05 September 2016 07:17:56(UTC)
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Beattie

WatsonD wrote:
Firstly, ignore the ones who tell you not to do it. If you feel that it is what you want to do then go for it and make it work for you. There are many who evolve their careers and move into new fields, and the workplace is all the better for it. Can I suggest you look seriously at the Nebosh/ NCRQ qualifications, they are both designed to give you a real in-depth knowledge albeit in very different ways. Do some serious research on the courses and make sure you are choosing the right one for the right reasons. (I appreciate my comments may be controversial to some - but I don't think cost or difficulty should be a deciding factor). Look for opportunities to volunteer or gain work experience. (School Governors, local charities etc). Polish your CV and get involved with IOSH where you can meet people in the industry. Like all industries it takes time and work to get into, and you will be playing catch-up with others with more experience, but you will have transferable skills also. You will, however, need a bit of drive and determination. Good luck!
Thanks WatsonD I definitely want to go for it. After looking in depth at the Nebosh/NCRQ qualifications and ljstening to what people have been saying and advising, I have decided that the NCRQ qualification would be best for me. I think the style of learning would suit me more than the Nebosh would. I will speak with companies and also the HSE advisors at my work to try and gain experience. Do you think it would be a good idea to gain experience in different sectors? Thanks
Beattie  
#14 Posted : 05 September 2016 07:28:04(UTC)
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Beattie

gerrysharpe wrote:
"Yes H&S is a great career and i'm loving it i'm making loads of money" Is this what you want to hear?? As with any job you want to take, you need to do a bit of researching and seeing which part of Health and Safety you want to be involved in, there are so many different sectors that you could spend your whole career in environmental Health, or you may want to go into Construction H&S or just occupational H&S Only you can decide what you want to do otherwise its like me asking a load of builders, "i want to go into Construction, Whats it like" I would say, do some research, Read up online and decide what sector you want to go, Then look at the different courses and add ons for that particular pathway. Only when you have it clear in your head what you would like to do can you decide what training is best for you and your Career I'm working Construction and Yes whilst you can get around £300 a day you will be expected to have a considerable amount of experience and Knowledge, and perhaps a Trade yourself. The Nebosh Course offers a Construction add on which is invaluable to this sector but a waste if you want to go into environmental H&S and work for local authorities. So to Recap, 1. Decide if you want to Go into H&S 2. Look at all the different sectors and decide if any are suitable for you 3. Research and find everything you can about that Particular Sector 4. Plan and look at the different courses that would benefit your chosen sector 5. Gain work experience in that sector be it voluntary or paid, you can do the exams but its experience that gets you the Job. Whilst your saying you want to spend an x amount of money on your training, that alone will not help if you've got absolutely no experience. For some people this is a a nightmare scenario, unless you can get experience. Good luck
Gerry Sharpe Thanks for the advice. I have decided the sector I wish to work in, butbas you say it would be better if I could get the experience togo along with any qualifications. Do you think it would be a good idea to get experience in different sectors?
WatsonD  
#15 Posted : 05 September 2016 08:24:51(UTC)
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WatsonD

Ian Bell2 wrote:
Diagree. Before committing quite a few £'s I would want to know what working in h&s was like, if it was worth the study required etc. Except for a few, there are much better paid jobs/careers around in which to invest money into training courses etc than h&s. I would be thankful if someone told me that before spending money.
Well, go on then, enlighten me. What are the paid jobs/ careers that the person - you don't know anything about - would be better off investing their time and money in?
Ian Bell2  
#16 Posted : 05 September 2016 09:09:51(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Have a day off from being the VI. None of us can advise about what else to invest training money into, unless someone had specific sector knowledge of other areas. However, in my view - (and others) that investing in h&s training probably isn't worth it - given the state of the economy and the abundance of h&s people in the job pool all driving down salaries etc.
gerrysharpe  
#17 Posted : 05 September 2016 09:41:14(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Beattie wrote:
gerrysharpe wrote:
Thanks for the advice. I have decided the sector I wish to work in, butbas you say it would be better if I could get the experience togo along with any qualifications. Do you think it would be a good idea to get experience in different sectors?
Beattie First you need to decide what you want to do, which by the looks of it you have already decided, then aim for the relevant qualification and experience. You don't want to dilly dally in other sectors until you have enough experience of what you want to follow as it will just complicate things and cost you more money. Getting experience is the hardest part of any job application so you need to look into how best you get this, doing courses and exams is the easy part, being let loose on a job and gaining experience is more difficult. Have you come up with a plan on how your going to get your experience? have you offered yourself out to companies on a trial or even as an intern ? Have you looked at any trainee h&s jobs out there? Do you want to work for an employer or work for yourself? What have you to offer for a company that is looking for H&S staff? Course wise i would plan your learning upto Diploma level, this will with a certain amount of experience get you Grad IOSH membership, the stepping stone to Chartered status, but you really need to be having some sort of Experience working with one company or several, dependant on how you see yourself employed or sole trader. Hope that helps
WatsonD  
#18 Posted : 05 September 2016 10:28:27(UTC)
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WatsonD

Ian Bell2 wrote:
None of us can advise about what else to invest training money into, unless someone had specific sector knowledge of other areas. However, in my view - (and others) that investing in h&s training probably isn't worth it - given the state of the economy and the abundance of h&s people in the job pool all driving down salaries etc.
Finally (apart from the stupid comment which I have chosen to omit) you are offering some reasonable advice to a new user. I have seen your advice on other threads and you are obviously very knowledgeable in what you do, and offer good sound advice, which you also tend to qualify. Also, I was just responding to your post asking me to explain my statement.
Mr.Flibble2.0  
#19 Posted : 05 September 2016 10:47:52(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble2.0

Wow some sour grapes on here regarding H&S roles, maybe some people have been doing it for too long or had overly high expectations. Its a job like any other job, some companies pay good, some don't. Some companies are good to work for some aren't. H&S is what you make of it and it can offer you a lot of variance and take you to places you might not normally go. I've been doing H&S for around 18 years and in that time I have worked in construction around London and saw some amazing buildings and views most people wouldn't see, I've worked for a company which painted air craft and we flew in a light air craft rather than drive to the airports, I've worked in Warehouses and met some amazing people and been part of some good teams. H&S training is totally worth it and even if you decide H&S is not for you having those qualifications will only better your CV and your career progression in whatever industry you decide to go into. Good luck in whatever you do.
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