Rank: Forum user
|
Hi all,
Sorry if I sound a bit dim, but what is the definition of a professional qualification?
Is it just a nebosh or equivalent, or can i include my EMS auditor training? RA training, DSE training, etc etc. only my EMS auditor training was marked the others I have just attended courses.
Thanks!
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Good question. I personally would consider a professional qualification as any course which you have passed which relates to your occupation. In other words, NEBOSH, NVQs, Diplomas, Bachelors/Masters, etc.
Other courses which you may have attended which are training courses e.g. RA, DSE, etc, I would not consider a professional qualification per se. However I would list them in my CV under a 'Other qualifications'.
Incidentally, membership of an industry association is also not a qualification, but I would list them under an appropriate heading - for example, CMIOSH, MIIRSM, MIFireE, etc
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Ke, depends on whose EMS auditor training you did. Was it by a trainer accredited by e.g. International Registered of Certificated Auditors? If so, yes, if bespoke probably no. RA training etc no - no proof that this gave you professional competence.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Forum user
|
Hi,
I would concur with the views of Ray and Peter. I often see on CV's four headings - for example:
1) Professional Qualifications
NVQ 5 - Health and Safety Management
NEBOSH Environmental Diploma
NEBOSH Fire Certificate
NEBOSH Construction Certificate
2) Professional Membership
CMIOSH
MIIRSM
AIEMA
3) Relevant Qualifications
BSI 18001 Lead Auditor
C&G 7303 - PTLLS
CITB SMSTS
BOHS P405
BOHS P900
4) Other relevant training
First Aid at Work
Fire Marshal
DSE Risk Assessor
Manual Handling train the trainer
IPAF
PASMA
etc...
Adding dates completed can also be useful to indicate a breadth of knowledge acquired over time, rather than reams of training that might have been completed 10 years ago, but nothing in the last decade - which may indicate a lack of refresher training, ongoing CPD or a desire to continually evolve and improve your skill set.
All the best, Jonathan
|
4 users thanked Jonathan Hughes for this useful post.
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
NEBOSH make it quite clear that their certificates are not professional qualifications
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Originally Posted by: walker NEBOSH make it quite clear that their certificates are not professional qualifications
Really? So what are they then?
|
|
|
|
Rank: Forum user
|
Originally Posted by: walker NEBOSH make it quite clear that their certificates are not professional qualifications
Hi Walker...This is a quote taken directly from the NEBOSH website....."Our qualifications are globally recognised and taken by people working in all types of industries, as well as national and local government organisations".
Surely this is then suggests it is a "Professional Qualification" or do you have something else from them that suggests otherwise?
Pete
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
From NEBOSH (not my words) NEBOSH's Certificate-level qualifications give a good foundation in health and safety for managers, supervisors and staff with health and safety among their day to day responsibilities.
NEBOSH’s Diplomas are professional qualifications for health, safety and environmental practitioners.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Professional qualifications in the United Kingdom are generally awarded by professional bodies in line with their charters
Most, but not all, professional qualifications are 'Chartered' qualifications, and follow on from having been admitted to a degree
DSE RA ..etc are not professional qualifications
SHV
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Cutting to the chase, there is no hard and fast rule what is a 'professional' qualification, embroiled that is in definitions and semantics. Perhaps a modicum of common sense is the answer.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Forum user
|
Thanks for the replies .. Jonathan I will go with your layout - that's a good idea. Currently they're all in the same 'box' on my CV so could do with seperating them out a little.
Where I find it difficult is the job applications where it only allows you to fill in 'professional quals' - I am just really tempted to wack all the courses I've ever attended as it shows a continual CPD process... But then again that shows lack of understanding of the question being asked! Thanks all,
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
This is interesting stuff. The quote from NEBOSH is spot on. I am amazed by how many people think that by geting the NEBOSH cert this instantly makes them a "safety professional". People go on the course and never bother to read NEBOSH's own spiel on this.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
My definition of a professional is someone you can rely on to give a definitive unbiased opinion on something. To be a qualified professional you need both formal training eg a diploma AND practical experience. A few months ago a bridge collapsed on the M2 motorway. Half of it was removed as it was unsafe but the other half was left in situ. A BBC reporter on the scene was talking about this to a colleague in the studio, who commented that the bit that was left standing did not look safe. The reporter on the science said that it had been checked by an engineer who was of the professional opinion that it was safe. The studio based reporter still sounded unconvinced and at this point I hoped that the one on scene reporter was going to say something along the lines:” they bloke who said it was safe was a professional civil engineer -qualified and competent. The guys that fix your washing machine are not engineers, professional or otherwise; they are just engineers” but he didn’t, an opportunity missed. So a professional is someone you can assume knows what they are talking about but of course the professional must behave in professional manner and earn that respect but that is a story for another time.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Agree with Ray #10.
There are lots of safety jobs that don't even ask for IOSH/NEBOSH etc within the nuclear and process industries.
So have all of you rabbiting on about the mertits of being CMIOSH etc wasted your time?
Academic snobbery.
Just for the record I gained CMIOSH, but the qualification isn't asked for in my area of safety. So I don't bother with it amymore.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
I work in an office with many "real" engineers (C.Eng)
The Office Admin "manager" put up a sign saying the photocopier wasnt working and an engineer had been called.
He (the Admin guy) nearly got lynched ;-))
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
I used to dream about being an engineer, then I were one ...
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.