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Gasman  
#1 Posted : 08 January 2020 16:42:07(UTC)
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Gasman

Bare bones question: Does an engineer working on a power station which is fuelled by gas need to be gas safe trained? 

Memory serves me not too ell here, I recall the factories act has an exemption for this in terms of a power station "loosely" being classified as a factory. Yes, ofcourse duties under HSW for training/competency.I am looking for a concise eductated reply from someone far smarter than myself if possible. 

SJP  
#2 Posted : 09 January 2020 09:16:40(UTC)
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SJP

Originally Posted by: Gasman Go to Quoted Post

Bare bones question: Does an engineer working on a power station which is fuelled by gas need to be gas safe trained? 

Memory serves me not too ell here, I recall the factories act has an exemption for this in terms of a power station "loosely" being classified as a factory. Yes, ofcourse duties under HSW for training/competency.I am looking for a concise eductated reply from someone far smarter than myself if possible. 

Hi Gasman,

They have to be trained and assessed for industrial gas work, but they do not have to be GasSafe registered as there is no category within the register for them. The nearest catergory is Commercial Equipment which is resturants, take-aways etc.

SJP

Ian Bell2  
#3 Posted : 09 January 2020 10:41:42(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I would expect them to have passed a suitable 'compex' training course, which module depends on what they actually do. Google 'Compex' courses for mor einformation.

I would think it is likely undertaking work inside hazardous areas and/or undertaking maintenance/electrical work on ATEX rated equipment. Compex training course provided additional training / knowledge/requirements to ensure equipment is maintaned according to the BS60079 standards - particulary pts 14 & 17.

HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 09 January 2020 11:42:16(UTC)
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HSSnail

I thought commercial covered a lot more than catering? Lots of sub cattegories are avialable ?

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/media/1826/defining-the-commercial-id-card-work-categories.pdf

Ian Bell2  
#5 Posted : 09 January 2020 12:19:41(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

The previously mentioned Compex accreditation/training modules are the recognised industrial qualifications on COMAH/chemical/oil refineries-gas processing plants & refineries/power generation sites.

Gas Safe is never asked for, in my experience -15yrs+

Gasman  
#6 Posted : 09 January 2020 16:34:25(UTC)
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Gasman

Hi all, 

update below on findings, hope this may help someone in the future.

The question being, does someone working on gas powered equipment in a power station would need to be Gas Safe Registered ? 

In my opinion, the answer is no, the engineers would NOT need to be Gas Safe Registered because of the following exemption for ‘factories’ under the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations [GSIUR] 1998 (as amended).  Regulation 2 is concerned with general interpretation and application, and this states:

 “(4) Save for regulations 37, 38 and 41 and subject to regulation 3(8), these Regulations shall not apply in relation to the supply of gas to, or anything done in respect of a gas fitting at, the following premises, that is to say –

 (b) a factory within the meaning of the Factories Act 1961 or any place to which any provisions of the said Act apply by virtue of sections 123 to 126 of that Act;”

A copy of these Regulations can be found at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/contents/made

 If you are interested, a copy of the Act can also be found at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/9-10/34/contents

 The following information relating to the requirements at premises outside the scope of these Regulations, taken from the guidance accompanying Regulation 3, which is concerned with qualification and supervision, may also be useful:

 “Even if working at premises to which GSIUR does not apply (e.g. factories, quarries etc (see regulation 2(4)), competence in carrying out gas work safely is required to comply with the general duties in sections 2 and 3 of the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974.”

Reference: L 56, Safety in the installation and use of gas systems and appliances (Fifth edition) a copy of this publication can be found at http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l56.htm

Ian Bell2  
#7 Posted : 09 January 2020 18:13:14(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

That is effectively the answer I was going to expand my earlier response, didn't have time earlier.

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