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Jason90212992  
#41 Posted : 10 July 2020 08:19:26(UTC)
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Jason90212992

Forum Name: jason90212992= Boon Chye Oh (Singapore)

Network is power and likewise for Forum. This allow members to pose question and tap into the expertise of our members. The challenges will be locating the right forum page with timely sharing of information. We have many fourm subject, forum pages and not in alphabetical order! 

For more user friendly, we may wish to break down into Main Subject Heading/ Sub heading? (Construction-residential, school, road works, etc) ; (Process Industry- oil& gas); (Design for Safety, CDM); (IOSH Feedback); etc and in alphabetical order with history/ date.  

Forum is a LIVE library and need to be managed on timely manner to beneift members.  

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CptBeaky on 10/07/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#42 Posted : 10 July 2020 11:51:07(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: Jason90212992 Go to Quoted Post
This allow members to pose question and tap into the expertise of our members.

The public forums are open to anyone who signs up agreeing to follow the forum rules - moderators listed as removing inappropriate posts.

iosh membership grants access to the member only forums.

The general public may not find it easy to place a post in a set of categories to permit easy classification and filing - the current pandemic has seen many posts from non-professionals seeking guidance and clarification

Roundtuit  
#43 Posted : 10 July 2020 11:51:07(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: Jason90212992 Go to Quoted Post
This allow members to pose question and tap into the expertise of our members.

The public forums are open to anyone who signs up agreeing to follow the forum rules - moderators listed as removing inappropriate posts.

iosh membership grants access to the member only forums.

The general public may not find it easy to place a post in a set of categories to permit easy classification and filing - the current pandemic has seen many posts from non-professionals seeking guidance and clarification

peter gotch  
#44 Posted : 10 July 2020 12:24:14(UTC)
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peter gotch

I think that there are many ways in which these Forums could be enhanced.

My no 1 would be a much more user friendly search facility, so that e.g. if looking for a  posting by a specific member one does not need their precise details, so that as example you could look for "peter "or "gotch" rather than needing to look for "peter gotch" AND know whether I have decided to put a full stop or underline between my names.

But in terms of search, even more helpful would be for the search to include within the text within postings rather than just titles. This is not rocket science.

A quite large number of threads ask questions about topics that have been discussed before, often many times. So a modern search facility would save users time.

Keith - any idea of when the outcome of your project is likely to be published?

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RVThompson on 10/07/2020(UTC)
Ian Bell2  
#45 Posted : 10 July 2020 13:14:39(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I agree with Peter. The format of this forum is so dated.

It would be better, when replying to a specific previous comment, if the answer appeared directly below the comment being responded to - not right at the end of the discussion, so that you have to mention which specific comment is being replied to by adding #3 or whatever the comment number is.

Just look at any news media comments section, how its done.

CptBeaky  
#46 Posted : 15 July 2020 07:52:04(UTC)
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CptBeaky

I would like the "thanks" button to be more useful. Maybe also "agree"/"respectfully disagree" withis advice buttons.

Normally I am thanking posts because I am agreeing with the advice given.

Kate  
#47 Posted : 15 July 2020 11:33:18(UTC)
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Kate

I thank posters for a variety of reasons.

Because they have given good advice.

Because they have told me something I didn't know.

Because they have a contributed a considered opinion even if I disagree with it.

Because they said something funny.

David Manson  
#48 Posted : 16 July 2020 15:45:25(UTC)
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David Manson

Yes, yes and yes.

I get intelligent responses and learn also from other peples' posts.

peter gotch  
#49 Posted : 26 October 2020 16:49:43(UTC)
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peter gotch

Keith’s posting has gone very quiet and we have been given to understand that his review has been delayed by Covid.

However, there appear to be moves behind the scenes towards perhaps closing down these Forums and I would be interested in understanding whether you consider that IOSH could provide a similar forum for dialogue with both Members and non-Members on other Social Media such as LinkedIn as is available here.

From time to time, we get comments about how useful these Forums are - it would help Keith with his review if such comments were to reach him.

A couple of such comments have been made recently and are quoted below:

“Thank you all for your responses. We are specialist ecological contractors - so overlapping with forestry, agriculture, quarrying, waterways, and pure ecology. 

X, especially, thank you for a very full answer - all of which makes sense. The reason we were asking is because we had come to the same conclusions. The question was how far to push it”

“Having just come across this post, to me it demonstrates just how valuable this forum is to members and how clearly competent members are prepared to provide assistance and support to their fellow members.

This is a great example of how things should work.”

Is there another easily accessible platform where people's concerns about HSE issues would be as well capable of being discussed and answered than on these Forums?

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Keith Hole on 26/10/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#50 Posted : 26 October 2020 17:01:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Not on platforms where annonymity cannot be guaranteed - close the forum, close my membership

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Roundtuit  
#51 Posted : 26 October 2020 17:01:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Not on platforms where annonymity cannot be guaranteed - close the forum, close my membership

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RVThompson  
#52 Posted : 27 October 2020 08:03:08(UTC)
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RVThompson

Personally, these forums provide the following:

  • Wide industry knowledge & experience
  • Advice & ideas
  • Insight into current methodologies and thinking
  • Encouragement that I am not digging away on my own
  • Humour
  • Anonymity

It will be a significant loss if IOSH pull the plug, leaving very disappointed member.

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Kate on 27/10/2020(UTC)
Kate  
#53 Posted : 27 October 2020 08:09:06(UTC)
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Kate

These forums have been for me by far the most useful source of information and informed opinion about what to make of the Covid-19 situation. 

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Wailes900134  
#54 Posted : 27 October 2020 08:52:31(UTC)
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Wailes900134

Originally Posted by: RVThompson Go to Quoted Post
Personally, these forums provide the following:
    <li>Wide industry knowledge &amp; experience</li><li>Advice &amp; ideas</li><li>Insight into current methodologies and thinking</li><li>Encouragement that I am not digging away on my own</li><li>Humour</li><li>Anonymity</li>
It will be a significant loss if IOSH pull the plug, leaving very disappointed member.
I agree RV and I believe their presence as a freely available resource is a key feature of retaining the advantages of charity status. As IOSH is driven over a cliff by those (staff and volunteers) who value sales and celebrity over service to the profession, these forums provide a sanctuary of sanity and touch point to the needs of the practitioners facing the real problems in industry today. On the anonymity point, I am personally relaxed but having read the inputs of others who's reasons I accept, I had a scan to compare and contrast of how forum and LinkedIn compare.... For every posting on here which I would suggest the anonymity has allowed unpleasant behaviour, I believe I saw far more things on LinkedIn (pod bullying, intellectual put downs, racial stereotyping, inappropriate sexual references, etc). The big difference however is the mind blowing amount of utter and complete drivel on LinkedIn from the safety community (or a community of people who seek celebrity and see safety as this years vehicle). The way that platform works just amplifies this with prompted likes and further banal comments. I really do fear for the Institution if these forums continue to be starved... The profession will survive, but may well just leave a circle of self appointed thought leaders patting the back of the person in front of them, posing for a selfie with person behind them, ####ing their own pet projects, behind...
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A Kurdziel  
#55 Posted : 27 October 2020 09:17:05(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The forum is great because it is a freely available resource. You don’t have to be member to join in and you don’t need to register if you are just having a look.

It is largely run by and for the members,  so it  not a mouth piece for IOSH centre nor is it a platform for people trying to sell you services- this could one reason why they would like to shut it down (?!)

You don’t have to load up all of your details and can remain anonymous both to the system itself and fellow forum users. Its one of the few places that some can ask the question: “my employer seem to be ignoring health and safety law what should I do?” Imagine if that was posted on something like LinkedIn?

It has also been around along time and we have built up an archive of answers about everything from WAH to RIDDOR to COSHH to what we do at weekends and if H&S applies to those home improvement shows on telly. I can’t see that it costs much money to run (certainly cheaper than the IOSH magazine) Simply pulling the plug would be demonstration of how little regard IOSH centre have for their members  and would lead us to ask the question what IOSH is for(again)?

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SHV  
#56 Posted : 27 October 2020 10:40:40(UTC)
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SHV

I have used the Fourm, sometimes you  find a good advice from responders, and sometimes you find somone just wants to say something..it is up to people to extract what they want 

-Keep the Fourm but it needs organizing to sub heading , so people easily  can find what they are looking for

-I raised before, ability to put picture in Fourm, that will avoid misunderstanding , writing english is not always best way to communicate , i knew some costs are involved for doing this

SHV

andybz  
#57 Posted : 27 October 2020 13:07:21(UTC)
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andybz

Reading the latest comments about anonymity and LinkedIn has led me to realise that allowing people to be identified gives self-publicists a forum that is rarely helpful for everyone else. There are a few “new” theories about safety being banded around by various academics. Some individuals have clearly decided that associating themselves with these is an opportunity to make a name for themselves and LinkedIn provides them the forum to do this. They shoe-horn the ideas at every opportunity and are very defensive if anyone ever highlights any issue with the theory. This is creating the ideal “echo chamber” where only one side of the argument is heard.

I hadn’t thought about this before but at least making this forum anonymous keeps self-publicists away. It is particularly noticeable that the safety theories I am referring to have had very little mention here.

peter gotch  
#58 Posted : 27 October 2020 13:23:41(UTC)
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peter gotch

Several people - please assume that I have hit the "thank" button. I'm not going to scroll down and thank in each in turn as it would get to look much too like IOSH LinkedIn postings.

In contrast, Keith, thanks for indicating that you are continuing to monitor responses to your original posting. 

Andy - of course the self-publicists can come here without anonymity.

However, if those self-publicists started using the Forums to promote their commercial interests there are various users who would quickly "Report" them.

At present hitting the "Report" button rarely seems to produce a result in the continuing absence of a Moderating team, but if IOSH were to invest a little more in enhancing its Forums that could quickly change.

achrn  
#59 Posted : 27 October 2020 14:19:11(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

These forums have been for me by far the most useful source of information and informed opinion about what to make of the Covid-19 situation. 

Absolutely, and not just Covid-related.  I've had a faster and more detailed response on the forums than I have from paid-for advice on occasion.

I will not use Facebook or LinkedIn (or other social media that make money out of selling details of my life), so if that's where the discussion goes it will go without me.

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A Kurdziel on 27/10/2020(UTC)
Holliday42333  
#60 Posted : 28 October 2020 15:48:45(UTC)
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Holliday42333

I have been on these forums for going on 20 years [gulp]. 

There have been periods where I have not been particularly active but I have consistantly used them and benefitted massively from them.

During all the phases of my H&S career to date these forums have provided more infromation and actual CPD than any other process I have engaged in outside of formal study.  Back in the day when such H&S luminaries as Allan St John Holt was a regular and always supporting contributor to the current crop of regular and insghtful contributors who will be (virtually) well known to all regulars, the forum has overall provided trully exceptional support for all.  Such support cannot be gained or is more accessable anywhere else.

Yes there are occasional pieces of missinformed advice, yes there is the odd conflict of opinion etc butoverall the H&S world would be a far poorer place without these forums and IOSH coould do worse than drop all other objectives to focus on promoting these forums to their upmost.

With all the other poorly thought through (for the memberships benefit at least) changes at IOSH, any loss of these Forums really would be the final nail in my 20+ year IOSH membership.

LinkedIn and/or Facebok etc really are a very poor substitute indeed and its a shame that the powers that be at IOSH do not appear to agree

Forget all the other rubbish in the competency wheel, active participation in these forums should be one of the things that is mandatory for all members IPD/CPD

Edited by user 28 October 2020 15:51:18(UTC)  | Reason: Spelling etc

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peter gotch  
#61 Posted : 28 October 2020 16:45:24(UTC)
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peter gotch

Holliday - apparently there are only about 5% of Members who are active on these Forums, some of whom try and do a bit (just a bit) of what the Moderators used to do.

Imagine what their unpaid workload would be if attendance here was a mandatory element of IPD/CPD for the other 95% of Members!!!

peter gotch  
#62 Posted : 29 October 2020 17:42:45(UTC)
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peter gotch

A PS for clarity - I am not suggesting that it wouldn't be good to get much traffic BACK to these Forums.

Users roughly 90% down since January.

Roundtuit  
#63 Posted : 29 October 2020 22:44:51(UTC)
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Roundtuit

still more activity than on iirsm - can be weeks between postings

Roundtuit  
#64 Posted : 29 October 2020 22:44:51(UTC)
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Roundtuit

still more activity than on iirsm - can be weeks between postings

Brian Hagyard  
#65 Posted : 30 October 2020 08:25:57(UTC)
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Brian Hagyard

over the years I have found many gems on the forum - but the lack of moderation these days is turning it into a joke. Blatent advertisng and Trolling and nothing is done - Professional forum? No wonder H&S gets such a bad reputation in some areas if this is the best we can do with our own forum!

peter gotch  
#66 Posted : 21 December 2020 15:37:41(UTC)
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peter gotch

Keith

I think the Automatic Windows in a Fire thread is an excellent example of why these Forums show IOSH at its charitable best.

For someone who does not pretend to be a fire specialist, some of the contributions have been enlightening.

P

Brian Hagyard  
#67 Posted : 22 December 2020 08:36:29(UTC)
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Brian Hagyard

Peter

So what is your view now of the forum having asked this question? I note from the statistics available thats its nearly 2 months since you visited the forum?

Roundtuit  
#68 Posted : 22 December 2020 12:17:52(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: Brian Hagyard Go to Quoted Post
I note from the statistics available thats its nearly 2 months since you visited the forum? 

Maybe two months on this particular thread - not if you check "Last 10 posts" under user profile or search all posts by....

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Roundtuit  
#69 Posted : 22 December 2020 12:17:52(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: Brian Hagyard Go to Quoted Post
I note from the statistics available thats its nearly 2 months since you visited the forum? 

Maybe two months on this particular thread - not if you check "Last 10 posts" under user profile or search all posts by....

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Wailes900134  
#70 Posted : 22 December 2020 12:20:11(UTC)
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Wailes900134

I clearly don’t understand the data collection... I’m seeing around 25 postings from Peter in December alone... of varying degrees of depth and breadth but all in good faith, good humour and of benefit to the discussion they’re on... which is, I think, the point of the forums.
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peter gotch  
#71 Posted : 22 December 2020 20:02:07(UTC)
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peter gotch

Brian

I think that these Forums are probably the No 1 benefit of IOSH membership, in part at least as helping IOSH achieve its charitable objectives (as set out in its Royal Charter) by offering a space for non-members to debate issues.

In the main the advice provided whether by members or non-members is constructive.

Edited by user 23 December 2020 09:56:45(UTC)  | Reason: Clarification

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chris.packham  
#72 Posted : 22 December 2020 21:25:00(UTC)
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chris.packham

I actually cancelled my 'membership' of IOSH some time ago when they reduced the benefits and increase the subscription. I felt that I obtained far more in terms of benefit from other memberships, particularly the Royal Society of Medecine. However, as some may have noticed, I have remained fairly active on this forum, particularly as it allows me to pass of some of my own knowledge and experience in my particular specialised field to help others. I feel hat there is a need for something such as this forum where knowledge and experience can be shared. No-one can have all the answers in such a broad topic as health and safety. Indeed, I would challenege anyone to maintain the we even know all the questions. Where else would one go for help? Facebook - Instagram? 

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Brian Hagyard  
#73 Posted : 23 December 2020 09:02:51(UTC)
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Brian Hagyard

Appologies

I meant to ask Keith what his view was - as the person starting the post - not Peter - slip of the key board.

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Kim Hedges  
#74 Posted : 24 December 2020 19:00:49(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Your Questions.

1.      Do you find the forums welcoming?

2.      Have you found the information accurate and helpful?

3.      Do you like the anonymity of the forum against the visibility of other communication channels?

My Answers. 

1 - No not really, I find the wbsite attrocious, it's stuck in 1980 just after the internet became a reality. 

2 - Yes informative.

3 - No, I hate an anonymous style that IOSH has allowed, possibly due to the poor website (see question 1). 

Roundtuit  
#75 Posted : 24 December 2020 19:35:58(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: Kim Hedges Go to Quoted Post
3 - No, I hate an anonymous style that IOSH has allowed, possibly due to the poor website (see question 1).

Yet you chose to remove your picture avatar - Isn't that a step toward anonymity?

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t128311-How-can-I-change-my-photo---should-I​​​​​​​

Edited by user 24 December 2020 19:50:29(UTC)  | Reason: foundthe link I was looking for

Roundtuit  
#76 Posted : 24 December 2020 19:35:58(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: Kim Hedges Go to Quoted Post
3 - No, I hate an anonymous style that IOSH has allowed, possibly due to the poor website (see question 1).

Yet you chose to remove your picture avatar - Isn't that a step toward anonymity?

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t128311-How-can-I-change-my-photo---should-I​​​​​​​

Edited by user 24 December 2020 19:50:29(UTC)  | Reason: foundthe link I was looking for

Alan Haynes  
#77 Posted : 24 December 2020 20:02:51(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Alan Haynes

Anonymity- totally understandable for anyone not wanting employers to know when you are asking a question that would embarrass them, and risk your employment with them
Messey  
#78 Posted : 26 December 2020 05:11:06(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Messey

I am intrigued and reassured that anonimity is so important to so many here as I would have to stop visiting if I were required to use my real identity. My employer has strict rules on social media use and staff have been asked to resign before for breaching those agreements.

The most important areas where the forum is useful for me are two-fold:

1) I deal exclusively in the black art of fire safety. When I have to lean into more H&S areas, advice this forum has been massively useful in steering me in the right direction. Thanks to those who have helped me.

2) After 30 years working as part of a team of peers, for the last 10 years I have been in a post where I am the sole fire safety advisor. The ability to brainstorm and learn from others is no longer available, so to bounce ideas here (& elsewhere) on the web is very important.

Can I make a plea to others though:

If you are not sure, please dont post!

I know you lot are a very generous crowd who freely share your wisdom, experience and competence. But sometimes I  see posts (in relation to fire safety) that are simply wrong. IMO, IOSH's status and reputation is such that advice given here carries some weight. Sometimes - albeit rarely - I shudder with some of the content I read. I must stress this is rare, but it really worries me.

Lastly, as somebody said early, the catch all phrase 'carry out a risk assessment' should be instantly moderated unless it has some additional advice attached. It's lazy and frankly no use whatsoever as it's likely the poster already knows this, which is why thy are on here!!!

peter gotch  
#79 Posted : 23 February 2021 11:22:50(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
peter gotch

I could comment more often but wish to flag up two replies to the thread "Set up of multiple monitors - DSE" as being an excellent example of the public benefit offered by IOSH in hosting its Public Forums.

Keith, any idea as to when your report is likely to happen?

chris42  
#80 Posted : 23 February 2021 11:52:56(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
chris42

There have been 4,851 views of this thread ! Obviously people are interested.

Chris

Gerry Knowles  
#81 Posted : 23 February 2021 14:13:01(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Gerry Knowles

I am a semi-regular contributer on the discussion forums;

The forums are in general welcoming and offer a space where both members and non-menbers can interact.  We are afterall a profession which has the unfortunate badge of being the kill joys and who will go to any lengths to stop grannies having a Wednesday afternoon brandy whilst at the knitting circle just in case things turn nasty and the needles are used as weapons.  But seriously we are in a lonely profession where we are normally the only one in a business or a self employed consultant so there needs to be a welcoming place for us to be. 

I would say that the information passed around is helpful and accurate.  However on occasion some of us delve into the dark recesses of our minds and come up with obsecure bits of legislation when really all that is needed is some simple suggestion of how to get round the issue.  So we do need to think about what is required.  I was once told by a very senior health and safety profession at the BBC that to him the law was not as improtant as managing the risk and protecting people, that might just be a message to us all. 

As for anonymity, I have never hidden behind a nickname, I openly speak my mind and if people don't like it they can tell me so face to face so to speak.  I do however understand that some people may wish to protect their identity, if only to protect their job or for reasons for security.  I know of at least on individual who I met a few years ago who recognised me from my posts on this forum, but hid behind a nickname as he worked in a sensitive area. 

So I do feel that there is a need for forums such as these, where we can exchange ideas, gain knowledge, vent anger and discover bits of legislation that we never knew existed. So lets keep it and don't through it just because it has some wrinkles in it.  

I would like a spell checker!!!!!

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