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Ken Slack  
#1 Posted : 15 September 2011 11:40:25(UTC)
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Ken Slack

I am just wondering what the common consensus is in regard to giving Safety Representatives copies of accident report data, and whether this would breach the data protection act. Does it state anywhere in any H&S legislation that employers must disclose this information to safety reps? If so which act would take precedence HSWA or DTA?? I understand that safety reps can get permission from IP's but that's a different matter. Ta Ken
Ken Slack  
#2 Posted : 15 September 2011 11:41:26(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Typo HSWA od DPA.... oops
kenty  
#3 Posted : 15 September 2011 12:11:57(UTC)
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kenty

We have always presented accident statistics & reports at safety committee meetings, although the information is anonymous so that the injured person cannot be identified (slightly difficult based on certain sections/job titles with only 1 person). The safety reps, trade unions & management were all happy with this simple solution
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 15 September 2011 12:16:20(UTC)
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RayRapp

Ken The Safety Representatives and Safety Committees Regulations 1977 apply. H&S Reps should be afforded reasonable assistance in order to carry out their functions, which includes investigating RIDDOR accidents. The revised Accident Book was designed to ensure personal details are kept confidential whilst still being able to disclose details of the accident for investigation.
kdrum  
#5 Posted : 15 September 2011 12:22:47(UTC)
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kdrum

Ken our accident forms have a section added that is signed by IP giving consent to disclose details to safety reps. Monthly stats are reported at committee meetings which are anonymous and as Ray states safety reps are consulted during RIDDOR accident investigations involving staff, as per the Regs
sean  
#6 Posted : 15 September 2011 13:53:29(UTC)
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Ken as Branch H&S Officer I receive all accident report forms, if the injured person doesn't give permission for me to see it their details are redacted and I still get a copy. I also receive the National accident statistics which I can view region to region or building or department if necessary, these are just the totals with no personal details included, doing it this way protects the individual and doesn't cause a problem with the DPA.
drussell  
#7 Posted : 15 September 2011 13:57:34(UTC)
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drussell

Ken, there is some fairly clear advice on the HSE website, based on consultation with the Information Commissioner. Basically if the IP has not given consent to disclose full details (including their name and address) the safety rep should still be given anonymised details. http://www.hse.gov.uk/workers/releasing.htm
thebiggreenie  
#8 Posted : 25 January 2016 09:34:44(UTC)
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thebiggreenie

Sorry to resurrect a seemingly dead thread, but the link posted above is now broken. My workplace is represented by multiple unions. One union H&S Rep is requesting copies of all accident records, regardless of which union the injured person belongs to. Can I reasonably refuse to supply accident records (even when the IP has consented to disclosure) to a Representative of a Union of which the IP is not a member, or if the IP is not a member of any union?
Jane Blunt  
#9 Posted : 25 January 2016 10:32:45(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Have a look at this page for more information: http://www.hse.gov.uk/in...t/unionappointedreps.htm
Ron Hunter  
#10 Posted : 25 January 2016 10:57:22(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

thebiggreenie wrote:
Sorry to resurrect a seemingly dead thread, but the link posted above is now broken. My workplace is represented by multiple unions. One union H&S Rep is requesting copies of all accident records, regardless of which union the injured person belongs to. Can I reasonably refuse to supply accident records (even when the IP has consented to disclosure) to a Representative of a Union of which the IP is not a member, or if the IP is not a member of any union?
That IMHO would be an unreasonable request. Information requests should be in the context of the legal right to conduct investigation. There is no conferred right to amass copies of all accident records. Reps should be attending your Forum for the bigger picture. This 'consent for disclosure' is somewhat impractical for those Organisations operating electronic recording systems.
johnmurray  
#11 Posted : 25 January 2016 16:52:24(UTC)
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johnmurray

Since the data will be anonymised, I fail to see the problem. What value in data exists if only a proportion is revealed? So, you have multiple unions. There is provision in regulation, in that specific case, for the various unions to agree for one rep to represent different members of other unions; by agreement. I suspect, however, that the real reason is more to do with not wanting to disseminate accident data at all. Here is the relevant section from my UNITE H&s guide: "When there is more than one union involved Sometimes for health and safety purposes at a workplace unions favour joint representation. The guidance on SRSC Regulation 3 specifically allows for this, stating that the regulations do not preclude the possibility of a safety rep representing, by mutual agreement between the appropriate unions more than one group or groups of employees. (e.g. in a small workplace or within the organisation of a small employer when the number of recognised trade union reps is high relative to the total number employed)." http://www.unitetheunion...yGuideNov201311-7504.pdf
pl53  
#12 Posted : 25 January 2016 17:31:45(UTC)
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pl53

I wouldn't give them copies of anything, the reason being that they are company documents. I would however give them access to all of the information they needed on the proviso that no copies were made and they were not taken off site in any way either physically or electronically. The only time I would provide copies to be taken off site is in the event that they were requested as part of disclosure in a civil case.
chris42  
#13 Posted : 25 January 2016 18:03:24(UTC)
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chris42

the Legislation does seem to suggest they can have copies :- Inspection of documents and provision of information 7.—(1) Safety representatives shall for the performance of their functions under section 2(4) of the 1974 Act and under these Regulations, if they have given the employer reasonable notice, be entitled to inspect and take copies of any document relevant to the workplace or to the employees the safety representatives represent which the employer is required to keep
johnmurray  
#14 Posted : 25 January 2016 23:45:27(UTC)
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johnmurray

Chris42 wrote:
the Legislation does seem to suggest they can have copies :- Inspection of documents and provision of information 7.—(1) Safety representatives shall for the performance of their functions under section 2(4) of the 1974 Act and under these Regulations, if they have given the employer reasonable notice, be entitled to inspect and take copies of any document relevant to the workplace or to the employees the safety representatives represent which the employer is required to keep
Excepting as in 7(2): (2) An employer shall make available to safety representatives the information, within the employer’s knowledge, necessary to enable them to fulfil their functions except – (a) any information the disclosure of which would be against the interests of national security; or (b) any information which he could not disclose without contravening a prohibition imposed by or under an enactment; or (c) any information relating specifically to an individual, unless he has consented to its being disclosed; or (d) any information the disclosure of which would, for reasons other than its effect on health, safety or welfare at work, cause substantial injury to the employer’s undertaking or, where the information was supplied to him by some other person, to the undertaking of that other person; or (e) any information obtained by the employer for the purpose of bringing, prosecuting or defending any legal proceedings. (3) Paragraph (2) above does not require an employer to produce or allow inspection of any document or part of a document which is not related to health, safety or welfare. Other than that, yes, you do have to provide copies...anonymised, or not-anonymised WITH permission of the named individual/s. Funny how this always descends into "we ain't givin' them nowt".... Face it, union places are safer, and healthier, than places without. And probably safer than those run by union-resenting managers or H&S amateurs.
chris42  
#15 Posted : 26 January 2016 13:14:50(UTC)
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chris42

Realised we didn't actually answer question about which piece of legislation we were referring to. It was:- the Safety Representatives and Safety Committees Regulations 1977 Chris
johnmurray  
#16 Posted : 26 January 2016 18:41:26(UTC)
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johnmurray

MikeKelly  
#17 Posted : 26 January 2016 19:28:37(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Hi folks We shouldn't forget that an HSE inspector also has an obligation to give certain info to theTU OHS reps and this may be considerable. If he/she does do this then copies of the same nust be given to the Employer This is of course, Section 28 of HSWA. Copied below for ease of reference. Much more open and sensible than some posters defending their employers so called right to hang onto the stuff. (8) Notwithstanding anything in the preceding subsection an inspector shall, in circumstances in which it is necessary to do so for the purpose of assisting in keeping persons (or the representatives of persons [IE SAFETY REPS] employed at any premises adequately informed about matters affecting their health, safety and welfare, give to such persons or their representatives the following descriptions of information, that is to say - (a) factual information obtained by him as mentioned in that subsection which relates to those premises or anything [VERY WIDE SCOPE] which was or is therein or was or is being done therein; and (b) information with respect to any action which he has taken or proposes to take in or in connection with those premises in the performance of his functions; and, where an inspector does as aforesaid, he shall give the like information to the employer of the first- mentioned persons. (9) Notwithstanding anything in subsection (7) above, a person who has obtained such information as is referred to in that subsection may furnish to a person who appears to him to be likely to be a party to any civil proceedings arising out of any accident, [AGAIN VERY WIDE AND OF ASSISTANCE IN TAKING LEGAL ACTION FOR INSTANCE] occurrence, situation or other matter, a written statement of relevant facts observed by him in the course of exercising any of the powers referred to in that subsection. [ETC ETC]
thebiggreenie  
#18 Posted : 08 February 2016 08:32:59(UTC)
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thebiggreenie

Still not really got a lot further. I have no aversion to providing information to the Union Rep where an accident occurs to one of their members, and that member has signed the disclosure consent on the accident report. What I am averse to is providing information to the Union Rep where the injured person is not a member of that union. As far as I am concerned, that Union Rep can discuss the anonymised data at the Committee Meeting with all the other Committee members who are not entitled to see the personal data on the accident report, but still be advised on accidents.
chris42  
#19 Posted : 08 February 2016 10:21:10(UTC)
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chris42

You really don't think the union rep will not know who ( the name) is the person that had the accident ! anonymised information or not. I used to anonymalise the reports for the committee meetings and after I described what had happened to the IP, the Safety reps told us all the persons name. If you are willing to give it to one union rep then why not another, if the person has given consent for union reps to have it. The only thing I can see it would prevent is that other union rep going and discussing the incident with the person direct. My understanding is that unions can and do work together.
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