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I discovered this evening that my kids' primary school took two years out of lessons (aged approx 9-11) today to clear snow from the playground using buckets and bits of cardboard. Questions in my mind at the moment:
1. what was the caretaker doing whilst this was going on?
2. where does "kids H&S being paramount" (often used to justify snow-related closures) come into this?
3. liability issues? as parent and also concerned for the school's position if one were to break a leg etc whilst doing the job
4. and finally, shouldn't they be in class?
or it this just me? thoughts welcome!
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ROFL……… don’t really know what to say, but thanks for the post!……
Anyone for a risk assessment...?
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I suppose they will be up the school chimneys next!
I bet the kids loved it...surely, there a more important things to worry about.
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RayRapp,
I was waiting to see the ‘up the chimney’ quote, thanks for not disappointing me - lol!
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A bit of physical exercise in the fresh air - team working and valuable lessons learned on the need to shift it if it needs shifting.
And yes - I bet the kids enjoyed it
All good stuff! cant see anything wrong with this.
David
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Just as long as this is not a regular activity??
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I can see a few problems here.
Child slips and get hurt...School did not make a Risk Assessment, children not trained in Manual Handling.
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Reeve
Here are some thoughts, right or wrong, regarding your queries:
1. The caretaker might well have been off-duty at the time, having completed a full morning shift which very probably began well before 7am and included re-gritting all the external walkways at the school. In my experience, school caretakers are vital (like good headteachers and good school secretaries), but much of their work tends to be unseen, unrecognised and taken for granted!
2. Most school closures due to snow are probably made because insufficient numbers of their staff are able to get to school by car from wherever they live. However, "the H&S of pupils being paramount" looks/sounds more plausible.
3. What's the actual likelihood of 9-11 year olds falling and breaking their legs while snow clearing? Probably quite low. Adults are probably more at risk. Anyhow, for kids and adults, falling and breaking a wrist or elbow is the more likely outcome. In connection with this, do forum users involved with schools know/care if their caretakers and other site staff have ice grip footwear and suitable warm clothing for treating walkways, often alone, on freezing dark winter mornings?!! Furthermore, how easily can they summon help and from whom if they do fall and suffer incapacitating injury?
4. Perhaps the kids doing the snow clearing got some exercise plus some non-academic education about co-operating/working together - and hopefully were told why they were doing it. Even so, it's worth asking the school why they were doing it. If you do, please could you let us know what answer is given by the school?
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Jumping to conclusions - does anyone know if there wasn't a risk assessment?
When I was a kid I would have loved to do that, any excuse to get out of the classroom, I bet there was some snowballs thrown as well.
Happy days for the kids.
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At last - let kids be kids.
SBH
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Reeve21886 wrote:I discovered this evening that my kids' primary school took two years out of lessons !
I hope that bit isn't true. As others state above, there are any number of learning outcomes and "lessons" to be had from such an exercise.
In other respects, I've no problem whatsoever with this.
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It's a shocking suggestion that the kids might have wasted time throwing snowballs instead of getting on with the business of clearing snow: If they did, surely they needed to learn self-discipline about not being distracted and getting the task completed in reasonable time!
However, the above observation is tongue-in-cheek. For those who don't recall it, HSE's Myth of the Month topic in December 2008 at http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/dec08.htm dealt with the misperception that children aren't allowed to throw snowballs. To expand on this I reckon children should be told/reminded that throwing snowballs at other participants is fine but not at anybody's face or non-participants (including cyclists and motorists) and best not to use hard snowballs made of wet slushy snow. In other words, children should be enabled and encouraged to have fun with snow - and also to combine it with appropriate responsibility!
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Wearing a number of hats, i.e. a Dad, Granddad, ex Chair of Governors & a safety practitioner for more than 30 years, I think that it is a great idea to involve children in such activities!
In my opinion, any "risks" are far outweighed by the advantages of letting kids have some unusual physical activity & I bet that they had great fun into the bargain!
Zyggy
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Now, when the School are a bit short in the kitchen, you might have better reason for concern!
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Good to hear the school wasn't shut because a flake of snow landed.
A great way to keep the kids active and solved the problem of PE in snowy conditions for two acedemic years in one session. I'd of loved to of done that when I was a lad. :)
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Ah yes modern curriculums brought on by this fine government
That’s why I send my children to Private schools they train children to go to university.
This is obviously a comprehensive school were they train children for manual labour and factory work
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Bit of a sweeping statement and one I find offensive. My children and myself went to comprehensive school and managed fine with university.
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Cardboard to clear snow? Wrong tools.
Much better for the big kids to roll the little ones around and form massive snowballs then push them down the hill. Great exercise for all and still gets the snow cleared. Great lesson in the physics of water/ice, heat conduction, gravity, work/energy.
To the OP, I think it is you!
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I'm hoping psychos statement was tongue in cheek.
Absolutely nothing wrong with state schools - there have been many fine scholars and business leaders educated via the state - some of which whent onto university, others went straight into developing very successful business.
Back to the subject at hand - I dont see a real problem with this, snowball fights were great.
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psycho wrote:
- - - Private schools they train children to go to university.
- - obviously a comprehensive school were(sic) they train children - -
Interesting use of the word "train"!
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psycho wrote:
Ah yes modern curriculums brought on by this fine government
That’s why I send my children to Private schools they train children to go to university.
This is obviously a comprehensive school were they train children for manual labour and factory work
Manual labour and factory work a bad thing is it? (there are days I wish I could go back to it. Finish work, go home, stop thinking about it!)
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...........obviously I must have been educated via the state - given the poor grammar and incorrect spelling in my last post!
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Well done the school I say..... and certainly reckon the kids would have enjoyed it and got something out of it....... fresh air, excercise, rosey cheeks, great fun and the school, well in the end safer for all to move around hopefully......
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In my primary school (pre 1960) they held an igloo-making competition one snowy day. That was real fun.
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B.Bruce wrote:
Absolutely nothing wrong with state schools - there have been many fine scholars and business leaders educated via the state - some of which whent onto university, others went straight into developing very successful business.
C'mon Brucey, no word about the 100's of other pupils employed in lesser-academic/skilled jobs that keep the country working?
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ehhhhh. im confused - thats exactly what I am saying Johnny!
Read all my posts........................state schools provide generally high standards of edcuation, some pupils decide to go to university as a result, others decide to go straight into business. Attending private school doesnt necessarily provide for any higher a standard of education than private schools.
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...........should have read "............Attending private school doesnt necessarily provide for any higher a standard of education than public schools."
Typed in frustration and haste
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Then again, a scan of the grammar standards on this thread suggests maybe we should spend more time in the classroom.............................! ;-)
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......back to P1 for me then!
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How did the people in this thread manage to get from "kids clearing snow" to a debate on the differences between private and state education.
Must be the weather or is it Friday afternoon already!!!!!!
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Gerry Knowles wrote:How did the people in this thread manage to get from "kids clearing snow" to a debate on the differences between private and state education.
Must be the weather or is it Friday afternoon already!!!!!!
And with that observation, please be aware that forum topics that deviate will be locked under FR: 1.
Carry on.
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The only negative thought that I have is; - afterwards where do the kids get warm and dry and dry their cloths? As in many if not most UK schools the facilities for such things are poor compared to other northern European schools where such activities are a regular thing so drying cloths etc is catered for
Other than that negative thought I say let them get on with it noting that the biggest problems in schools that children face is parents driving very badly snow or no snow!
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B.Bruce wrote:I'm hoping psychos statement was tongue in cheek.
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reel them in little fishes -------------------
O< o< o<
At my comprehensive school on a very rough estate in the gruff north of England we never
shoveled snow we dug the school gardens to provide enough food for the school dinner tables
It had its advantages it made you big and strong to fight the bullies, having to wear my brothers old warn out blazer and the hand me down shorts that, where also my brothers trousers but the knees were wholey so they made shorts -- its glum up north at least my kids will go to the a proper university -the university of life and hard knocks, when i have them at least i am not a 3rd generation dole whaller. anyway more snow due :-)
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I wonder how much snow went in the direction of the teachers?
As for levels of education etc. do you understand what school your kids go to - Community, Voluntary Controlled, Voluntary Aided, Foundation, Acadamy, Free School?
The control, curriculum and aspirations are politicallky changing towards non-state education. Less young people 'hiding' in universities away from the depressed job market whilst Local Authorities ditch 10's of thousands of LEA staff.
Bring back manufacture, skills of head and hand, real apprenterships and the university of life not one of toffs and fags.
Come the revolution!
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What about football clubs asking for volunteer to clear snow from the pitch?
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