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Year 6 are rehearsing a play for all children to take part, there is a stage for the actors to act on and there is a wheelchair user in the play. This play is the end of "school" play for the children as they all go off to secondary school next September. The school always make a big issue of the play. It is The Main Event in the school year.
The school have tried to get the wheelchair user onto the stage but decided they could not do so safely.
Plan B is for the wheelchair used to play her part at ground level, this means she will not be seen by the audience who are seated at the same level. (Especially anyone behind the first row of seats.
A couple of other kids have also been told they will stay at ground level during their acting parts. (This is just a token gesture to make it look like inclusion).
The wheelchair user has expressed a wish to play her part on the stage, just like everyone else.
The wheelchair user's parents have asked to be kept advised of the arrangements and the school have agreed to do so, however the school has gone ahead with their plans without consulting the parents. (This has gone on right through the years from 3 to 6, always an issue when the parents get to know something and then the proverbial hits the fan). The play is on in about four weeks time, rehearsals have been ongoing for more than a month..
Q1. Has the school a duty to do more to involve the wheelchair user in the same way as the majority of the other kids?
Q2. How much effort should the school be putting in to the inclusion of the wheelchair user?
Q3. If the wheelchair user is unable to access the stage should the play be performed at ground level?
Q4. What action is available for the wheelchair user and parents to get a solution to this? (Or is it just take it on the chin?
Thanks for your thoughts.
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What about a video feed to a back projector on-stage? This gives significant scope for others to be involved in waht could be a multi-layered audio-visual experience. If the Primary School doesn't have the tech. kit, I'm sure the feeder Secondary will.
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Firesafety101 - what methods have been tried to get the wheelchair user onto the stage? Did they include methods for lifting the the girl and her wheelchair separately rather than together? One factor which may affect this is the girl's weight and size. Also, what do the girl and her parents suggest or think is appropriate? In addition, what is the approximate height of the stage?
During my 25 years with a local authority until recently dealing mostly with its schools I was never asked about the matter you raise. A fair number of the schools had pupils in wheelchairs and, like all other schools, would have events during each school year which involved pupils on stages. As I guess that such schools made their own arrangements which proved reasonably satisfactory to all concerned, my successor might be willing to make some enquiries about the nature of such arrangements. Also, no doubt, other forum users who work with schools will be responding with constructive responses to this topic.
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Could the parents attend prior to the show and take responsibility for getting their child up onto the stage? Not a perect solution but one that might resolve the problem without too much animosity?
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Part of my work is with schools and my experience tells me that all efforts are made to include, as naturally as possible, wheelchair users.
Most staging in schools require the use of steps, usually in the wings, to gain access to the stage (some have front access as well).
It is a question of how you get the wheel chair and the child up the steps and onto the edge of the stage (in the wings) whilst maintaining the child's dignity. Also control measures to ensure that inadvertently the child and wheelchair do not fall from the apron or sides of the stage.
Obviously some sort of hoist or ramp is called for but for a one off play I am minded of the phrase: All reasonable practical steps.
Without knowing the site I cannot suggest a solution.
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As already suggested and you not life the chair first then the girl??
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My suggestion above was based on the potential complexity of productions on these smaller stages. Players often exit and re-enter several times in a performance, and (with all due respect to the disabled child) there is often no room for obstruction of the wings.
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A valid justifiable altnerative design to resolve the issue presented is to offer the person with the disability an appropriate role in another play at a later date.
The Equality Act 2010 permits tradeoffs that require judgments about justifiable discrimination
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KieranD wrote:A valid justifiable altnerative design to resolve the issue presented is to offer the person with the disability an appropriate role in another play at a later date.
The Equality Act 2010 permits tradeoffs that require judgments about justifiable discrimination Its the last play in that school, the child is moving on to secondary school. If I was that girls parent I'm telling you everthing possible would be done to ensure my child was in that play. Talk to the parents, and as suggested above get them in early, lift chair/ girl seperate. Dont know how big the school is, or how big the stage is, but I'm sure an additional section can be added to the wings to help with space issues.
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I really feel that the school is trying to use H&S here to avoid somme problems but in the process are creating other issues. I really cannot see why the wheelchair and child cannot be lifted separately onto the stage with some performance details being re arranged a little. I personally do not believe that there are trade offs thaty are necessary. Also the solution does not seem unreasonable in terms of cost or other issues.
Just who is it that is creating the concerns in the school? I cannot agree with Kieran on this, to take part is an extremely validating experience for a young child and to exclude them to the floor level is for me an act of utter exclusion purely on the basis that she/he is a wheelchair user. If you pm me the name of the school and it is close enogh I will attend in my large All Terrain wheelchair and test their accessibility for you:-)
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Thanks all.
The stage is a temporary boxy type affair and the kids access via large box steps at the front. Every performer will enter/exit the stage a number of times during the play.
They have tried assisting the child up the steps but she cannot get up.
The school have now decided to have a two height stage with some of the actors remaining at floor level. This included the wheelchair user.
IMPO they should be doing more to include - what they are doing is to actually exclude more children who would have been on the stage if it was not for the wheelchair user.
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Thing is she is not just at ground level as she will be sat down in her wheel chair, the others will be standing up. She probably wants to be on stage with her friends, be seen by all the audience like her friends, to not have to fight to get this like her friends. Poor show on the school, what will they do when the next child in a wheelchair comes along, and the next.
Could the audience be on the stage amphitheatre style and the performers all at ground level ?
We can get men on the moon, explore the depths of the ocean and can't get a child in a wheelchair on a stage. This is not an area I have ever had to deal with, but I bet there are solutions out there. Ramps , lifts etc must be available, to hire if purchase is not an option.
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Have to say I totally agree. The stage is either suitable for ALL or suitable for none. The Head of this school should be hanging their head in shame at such crass action.
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I was about to suggest exactly what Chris mentioned (and agree completely with his post!): if the stage is temporary then can't they put the audience seated on it? I've used this arrangement many times (although obviously the size of the audience determines how possible this is - you can place a couple of rows of chairs on the floor in front of the stage but any more isn't possible). Most modern stage systems can be supplied with suitable edge protection for use as raised seating. I've seen lots of Primary schools, village halls, etc use products from http://www.stagesystems.co.uk/The website shows an idea of the kinds of additional attachments available for staging & seating, and other manufacturers have similar. Good luck!
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All these people that think the school should just pop out and hire (or buy) a super new stage system, or grandstand seating system, can they explain something for me:
Where does the money to do this come from?
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Whats the problem here? They have said that the girl can take part in the play, just at ground level. Let her parents sit in the front so they can see her. Lets be honest, when you go to a school play you don't go there for the production values or the quality of the acting do you? No, you go to see your own child. If the parents can do that then mission accomplished.
Is it practiacble for the school to buy, or hire a whole new stage or seating arrangement? No. They are doing what they can to include everybody with the resources they have available to them.
If the girl was getting a lesser standard of education than everyone else, i.e. she was failing science because she couldn't gain access to the science lab then yes this would be a serious issue.
...and another thing, is this really a topic for a health and safety discussion forum?
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Quite agree Seabee81! Sensible.
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The suggestion by Chris42 and gramsay about seating the audience on the stage may have serious flaws: For a start, the area of the stage is likely to be smaller than the hall floor area normally used for audience seating. There could also be problems with getting audience members onto and off the stage safely and ensuring they don't fall off the sides while on it, especially if they include grandparents and younger siblings of the pupils giving the end of term play. As they might also include people with mobility impairment, this would also create a discrimination about which audience members can and cannot access the stage, i.e. same problem but with different people!!!!
On a general point about modular stages of the sort used by many primary schools, village halls, etc throughout the UK, it's worth ensuring that the module units are and remain securely connected to each other, especially before performances. Some years ago I investigated an incident which occurred during a dance performance on such a stage in a primary school. Some of the modules started to part company from the rest to form a widening chasm feature and several of the dancers slipped into it. Fortunately, they suffered no more than a fright and a few mild bruises. If in doubt, there are various ways of ensuring that modules remain fastened together, including twine and good knots to tie the structural components of adjacent modules together as a "belt and braces" measure.
Back to the main topic and to echo my query at #3 about the height of the stage: If it's no more than about 2ft high, one potential low-cost solution (as achrn rightly points out, schools have limited spare money nowadays) could be to commission a suitably robust ramp feature if time allows before the end of term. Possible makers could include members of the school parents' association if one exists and/or the design & technology (D&T) dept of the secondary school for which the primary school is a feeder school. Such a ramp could be used to get the pupil and her wheelchair onto and off the stage WITH assistance. In the context involved here, we are not talking about a permanent feature with a gradient not exceeding 1 in 12 to allow self-propelled access by a wheelchair user. If the stage is say 2 ft high, a ramp covering a horizontal distance of 10 ft (i.e. gradient of 20%) might well suffice. Also, IF making and using such a ramp is feasible, it would be available for similar circumstances in future whether they involve pupils, employees or visitors with disabilities. Also, don't forget to secure the ramp to the stage!
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Whether this is a legitimate H&S issue or not means nothing to a kid who wants to be included in the last play of their current school. The question has been asked and there's plenty of folks who want to offer some advice on how this can be resolved. If we can't spend a couple of minutes thinking how this can happen then its a poor indication of our safety culture as H&S professionals. This is about inclusion and enabling someone who has mobility issues to feel like they are a part of the event without feeling like they're a burden on either the school or their classmates (which could be an issue with those who, lets face it, have been 'demoted' to not stand on the stage).
Yes, the organisors should hang their heads in shame on this one. it's not about it being unsafe, its about it falling into the 'too difficult' category and making excuses as to why something cannot be done.
If it's a wooden block stage then honestly how hard/expensive would it be to obtain a suitable ramp? I bet there's a few places that would be more than willing to donate something that would fit the bill (local authority or mobility specialist who fit this type of thing day in, day out).
The other far easier alternative would be to have the play at ground level and those in the audience who want/need a better view can stand at the back.
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Nlivesey wrote:Whether this is a legitimate H&S issue or not means nothing to a kid who wants to be included in the last play of their current school. The question has been asked and there's plenty of folks who want to offer some advice on how this can be resolved. If we can't spend a couple of minutes thinking how this can happen then its a poor indication of our safety culture as H&S professionals. This is about inclusion and enabling someone who has mobility issues to feel like they are a part of the event without feeling like they're a burden on either the school or their classmates (which could be an issue with those who, lets face it, have been 'demoted' to not stand on the stage).
Yes, the organisors should hang their heads in shame on this one. it's not about it being unsafe, its about it falling into the 'too difficult' category and making excuses as to why something cannot be done.
If it's a wooden block stage then honestly how hard/expensive would it be to obtain a suitable ramp? I bet there's a few places that would be more than willing to donate something that would fit the bill (local authority or mobility specialist who fit this type of thing day in, day out).
The other far easier alternative would be to have the play at ground level and those in the audience who want/need a better view can stand at the back. I totallly agree with you.
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The reason this is relevant to Health & Safety is that, like many H&S issues, it sounds like the whole event has been planned and how this young lady was to be included is an afterthought. Presuming that she hasn't recently joined the school or recently become a wheelchair user it is likely that the school has known for sometime that this was going to be an issue. So you design the event accordingly. It was mentioned that the problem is that it isn't just getting her onto the stage but that there are a number of exits/entries - so you chose/write the play so that this isn't necessary. What have they done for previous events using the stage. The pupils are Y6 so I presume they have used the stage before.
The level of adjustments required under the Equality Act 2010 are fairly high and hiring into suitable staging would likely come under this.
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Yes, if they can come up with a solution that doesn't cost the Earth, or rework the play so that it's possible for everyone to take part, then they should do it. My point was that it is not practicable to spend a lot of money on this. A head master has ofstead reports and league tables to worry about, so school plays must be pretty low on the list of priorities.
As for the school hanging their heads in shame, as long as all of the kids in that class can read, write and add up then they have achieved their goals and can be proud of themselves. These are the only things that will matter in later life, not the fact that they were once in a school play when they were 11, but the people at the back could only see the tops of their heads!!
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Wood28983 wrote: The level of adjustments required under the Equality Act 2010 are fairly high and hiring into suitable staging would likely come under this.
I disagree - school budgets are sufficiently tight that hiring in a stage would very possibly mean cancelling of the performance instead. If the school doesn't have the money it just doesn't have the money. I don't think an 'adjustment' that is cancel an annual event is a reasonable adjustment.
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Seabee81 wrote:Yes, if they can come up with a solution that doesn't cost the Earth, or rework the play so that it's possible for everyone to take part, then they should do it. My point was that it is not practicable to spend a lot of money on this. A head master has ofstead reports and league tables to worry about, so school plays must be pretty low on the list of priorities.
As for the school hanging their heads in shame, as long as all of the kids in that class can read, write and add up then they have achieved their goals and can be proud of themselves. These are the only things that will matter in later life, not the fact that they were once in a school play when they were 11, but the people at the back could only see the tops of their heads!! I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree pretty strongly. Good schooling isn't just about measurable results or league tables but should be about preparing kids for life in general. This includes actively discouraging discrimination, promoting inclusion, generating open thinking. A school play isn't just about kids 'pretending', its about teamwork, following instructions, interacting and is as valid a learning experience as any of the '3 r's'. Having known some very clever people who suffer from dyslexia their early adult lives were heavily affected by the quality of overall schooling and equally where the learning was results driven they didn't have a good time of it. Where the learning had a more creative focus then they found that they did have strengths that people looked for when employing. So, if you're fortunate enough to have been fully able to take part at school then well done. BUT others who aren't so fortunate may be affected by what may be perceived as a minor event and it could sit with them for a very long time.
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One other approach may have been to have incorporated the arrival and departure of this child onto the stage into the plot of the play? Lots of opportunity to use the play to raise awareness etc and allow the child to play an effective and active part in what is an exciting event for most kids. (and parents of course) A win-win approach surely and at little or no cost.
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I presume that there are some people then that do not see bullying and violence at work as H&S issues. Equality is just as relevant as these are. What do you think is the real result of discrimination? It is a bullying stance that insists that the affected person is less worthy to be in society than others. This child however you dress it up has been made to feel different by school staff who have likely been aware of the need to plan the play for many months but who chose to put off solving the problems and hoped to force their easiest route solution at the last minute. Why not do away with the stage altogether - Oh of course then the able will not be seen properly!!! A fine example to all children
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As with many of the topics which appear on this forum, we don't really know the full details, so surely it's best not to criticise the school organisers as Nlivesey suggests, even though he/she may be correct about mis/perceptions by the school and others about safety and practicability, etc. Also, if the school is a local authority one, it should have access to advisers regarding disability, inclusion and of course OS&H. Furthermore, it's most unlikely that the situation is unique - various other schools in the UK will have pupils who use wheelchairs and will have dealt with or are dealing with similar situations. From working with many headteachers over some 25 years I can confirm that they have a formidable myriad of matters to manage - including OFSTED, constantly shifting curriculums and awkward parents of pupils to name but a few. Thus, most if not all headteachers and similar managers tend also to work in the evenings, at weekends and during school holidays in order to keep up with the demands on them.
Also this topic is as relevant and valid as many of the other topics which appear on this forum and, I dare suggest, more useful and pertinent than some of the stuff which gets raised and discussed! Being even more provocative, I reckon there's no such thing as pure OS&H. Our profession, like many others, is an eclectic one and draws on many different disciplines including psychology, engineering and law. Try thinking beyond the needs/wishes of one young pupil for a transient event. This topic could be extended to include teachers with impaired mobility who need to access modular stages at their schools on a fairly regular basis. Also, wasn't there a monumental blunder/oversight some years ago during a sports award ceremony on live TV? I heard but didn't see that Dame Tanni Grey Thompson, winner of 11 Paralympic gold medals, was announced as the recipient of a sport award and then found that nobody had considered how she would access the stage in her wheelchair to be presented with the award!
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Well we will just have to agree to disagree with some people on some points then. I hope that the school manage to find a solution that everyone is happy with, the kids all enjoy their play and they go on to do well at secondary school. I think we can all agree on that
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Heavy workload means you can fail in statutory duties - I think many directors fancy that defence when the HSE come round.
Yes the child will survive because he/she has to. It comes with the patch of disability you have to smile at a few crumbs from the table of the able. Believe me also LAs can be among the worst for accessibility along with the NHS. Come to my town and I will show you inaccessible, almost, central library, inaccessible, almost, outpatients and inaccessible x ray departments
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Another well designed stage then!
C'mon guys, this is 2012 and the School has been going for how long? Not difficult or expensive to have resolved this issue many years ago I guarantee... just too much effort or thought required.
How many previous Children had missed out (unnecessarily) in a similar way?
I bet if they needed to get an awkward / heavy piece of equipment or staging onto the stage they'd get round it.
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SP - we don't know whether the stage modules are proprietary ones, i.e. ones bought from a commercial manufacturer/supplier, or non-commercial ones made for the school e.g. by some parents or perhaps the local secondary school or college, and when the school first used them. Whatever their age and source, there's not a lot involved in the design of such modules - they just have to be sufficiently sturdy and connectable to serve their simple purpose of providing a raised platform, and no doubt with one or more matching sets of steps for access. In the past, access by mobility-impaired people to such platforms and many other locations, e.g. public buildings of the sort mentioned by boblewis, simply wasn't considered. However, attitudes are changing for the better and, aided by the Equality Act (and the Disability Discrimination Act before it), arrangements are gradually improving - though there's a long way to go.
An additional benefit of a ramp of the sort I suggested - if it is feasible - is that it could also be used for getting large or heavy items onto and off the stage if required. I've often found that when building alterations are made to improve access for mobility impaired people, others also benefit. Many of the schools I used to deal with incorporated internal and external steps and I perhaps got a reputation for suggesting during visits that they be replaced by ramps. Years ago I read a cynical comment in a safety magazine that steps comprised an architect's unwitting way of inducing people to trip or stumble. Therefore, where it is feasible to do so, replacing one or several steps with a ramp makes the change of height easier for everybody to negotiate, not just people with mobility impairment. Also, cleaners and janitors will appreciate the ability to move heavy awkward items like floor polishing machines around buildings without having to carry them up and down steps.
Many of the schools I used to deal with either originally had steps at their building main entrances. Over the years most of them took action to either wholly or partially replace such steps with ramps. The people who regularly deliver loads of photocopier paper to schools certainly appreciate the ones with ramped front entrances because they can swiftly and easily convey the heavy boxes from their vans usually using 2-wheel porter type trolleys. Also, as schools are often used as polling stations during elections, those with ramped entrances are readily accessible to all voters, including ones with mobility impairment or simply with poor balance through old age. The election managers don't have to arrange to provide temporary metal ramps of the sort which are now standard for venues with stepped access. Having run several polling stations where temporary metal ramps had to be used, I can confirm that polling station staff and caretakers will also appreciate locations where permanent ramps have eliminated the need to deal with temporary ones.
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Graham, with all due respect, it's not difficult to build a ramp, whatever it connects to. To say that public buildings were not considered in the context of mobility impairment is an admission of laziness or lack of consideration at best.
You mention that attitudes are changing but clearly not quick enough as this issue has been well understood for a somewhat very long time now.
Even without further information I'd still say more should / could have been done, a long time ago with such a simple structure.
Finally, if the School states it is a cost they can't bear, start fund raising. I bet the few hundred quid necessary would become available pretty quickly, for a cause as worthy as this!
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Looks like I started an interesting debate, thanks for all the replies and some very good suggestions. The LEA have been asked to help, they have access officers who have questioned the headteacher who has replied that the play was always planned to have some kids at ground level and some on the stage.
I know this to be untrue as they tried to get the girl onto the stage but failed then they went for this option.
I know that the access officer has offered to loan the school a temporary ramp, and/or a “stair climber”.
The school has declined these two offers as they say their use would be detrimental to the performance.
There are now fifteen children who will play their parts on ground level – that’s fifteen children denied access to the stage, so fifteen sets of parents who all need to occupy the front row, there are not that many seats in a row!
The child is not “at work” so Equality Act does not apply to her, they have not said that but that is what they think, if it was a teacher who was disabled they Act would apply.
The Chair of the school governors has been written to for help, I’ll keep you all informed.
The girl has been at the school since age five, now she is ten. The school well know her disabilities and know she cannot climb steps. If she plays her part at ground level she will be seated. All other kids can stand.
The parents requested to be involved in a risk assessment for the play well in advance of the preparations, their offer was ignored.
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Firesafety101 wrote: The child is not “at work” so Equality Act does not apply to her, they have not said that but that is what they think, if it was a teacher who was disabled they Act would apply.
. Is this right? Children at school are classed as visitors so reasonable adjustments should be made to allow them access etc (this applies to parents as well) and as the child has been at the school for 5 years I would have thought some "reasonable adjustments" would have been made already. Rich
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Firesafety101 wrote:The child is not “at work” so Equality Act does not apply to her, they have not said that but that is what they think, if it was a teacher who was disabled they Act would apply.
The Equality Act absolutely DOES apply to a school and their treatment of pupils. I would suggest the school takes a look at the Equality & Human Rights Commission's website if that is the line they are taking!
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Firesafety101 wrote:....................The child is not “at work” so Equality Act does not apply to her, they have not said that but that is what they think, if it was a teacher who was disabled they Act would apply. Granted that you say they have not stated that the Equality Act does not apply, but you feel that it what they are implying; perhaps they should look or be pointed towards: http://www.education.gov...70/the-equality-act-2010
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Oooops
........"you feel that it what they are implying"......
should have been........."you feel that is what you feel they are implying"..........
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Oooops 2
.........."you feel that is what you feel they are implying"..........
shoukld have read .........."you feel that is what they are implying"..........
no more typing for me today ;-)
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if the school simply complied your ooopsies would disappear:-)
Firesafety
I cannot believe that you stated something so crass as to say that the Equality Act only applies at work. It applies as others have said - At All Times. This school really does need an in depth ofsted investigation to look at the potential discriminatory attitudes of staff. As I say my all terrain wheelchair is available to test out this school's accessibility and I will happily audit its compliance in the management field also.
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OK chaps I'll spill the beans now and tell you it is my daughter, and I've tried almost everything to get this school to understand what disablement really means to everyone directly involved but they just do not "get it".
I wrote to the chair of governors and handed it in this morning, awaiting his reply.
I tried a few Solicitors yesterday and nobody will take it on because it's not an employee that is being discriminated.
Once I have my reply from the governors I will write to the Director of Education.
If anyone knows a Solicitor that will take the case please let me know. Don't want one of those no win no fee companies though.
I'll keep you posted.
Thanks everyone.
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