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smith6720  
#1 Posted : 13 December 2012 14:22:17(UTC)
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smith6720

During very high winds a roof sheet that was stacked on the roof gets blown off, and lands on a public footpath, no damge was done and fortunately no one was injured. Reportable under RIDDOR as a dangerous occurrance or internal near miss invetsigation
chris42  
#2 Posted : 13 December 2012 14:53:09(UTC)
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chris42

It does not seem to meet any of the DO's listed in schedule 2, so not RIDDOR. Can't see why you think it might be!
smith6720  
#3 Posted : 13 December 2012 17:06:02(UTC)
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smith6720

Chris thanks for the reply > for the record I dont, others do !! thats why I put the question on here, as you get a good range of views from different perspectives..
jwk  
#4 Posted : 13 December 2012 17:10:44(UTC)
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jwk

Well, can't give you a range of views here as I reckon Chris is right! John
smith6720  
#5 Posted : 13 December 2012 17:19:25(UTC)
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smith6720

As stated above, there are people (sorry.. should say 1 person, who is a health and safety professional) out there who is adement, that this is reportable as a dangerous occurrance!!
John J  
#6 Posted : 13 December 2012 19:26:19(UTC)
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John J

smith6720 wrote:
As stated above, there are people (sorry.. should say 1 person, who is a health and safety professional) out there who is adement, that this is reportable as a dangerous occurrance!!
Well he's wrong.
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 14 December 2012 09:34:27(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Unless it's specifically mentioned in the schedules in the back of the RIDDOR regs it is not reportable.
jwk  
#8 Posted : 14 December 2012 10:09:31(UTC)
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jwk

It's not the first time I've heard of this particular confusion. As A Kurdziel says, if it's not in the Schedule it's not a Dangerous Occurrence. Something which occurs and is dangerous isn't necessarily a Dangerous Occurrence as specified. This is a case of somebody applying a normal definition of a term rather than understanding that it is a legal phrase with a restricted meaning. I too have had H&S professionals tell me that the most unlikely things need reporting as Dangerous Occurrences; if anybody suggests this get him or her to show where in the schedule it is mentioned; if it's not in the schedule it's not a dangerous occurrence, no matter how dangerous it is, and even though it has occurred, John
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 14 December 2012 10:50:21(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

jwk wrote:
It's not the first time I've heard of this particular confusion. As A Kurdziel says, if it's not in the Schedule it's not a Dangerous Occurrence. Something which occurs and is dangerous isn't necessarily a Dangerous Occurrence as specified. This is a case of somebody applying a normal definition of a term rather than understanding that it is a legal phrase with a restricted meaning. I too have had H&S professionals tell me that the most unlikely things need reporting as Dangerous Occurrences; if anybody suggests this get him or her to show where in the schedule it is mentioned; if it's not in the schedule it's not a dangerous occurrence, no matter how dangerous it is, and even though it has occurred, John
Call Me Andrew We have had quite serious near miss type situations ( it's too embarrassing to tell you exactly what happened but...) and we did not report as they were not included in the schedule and we have had quite trivial events, where the potential to hurt someone was insignificant but we had to report it under RIDDOR. As someone said there are problems with RIDDOR.
bilbo  
#10 Posted : 14 December 2012 12:29:41(UTC)
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bilbo

How about - Yes it is a dangerous occurence and should be investigated as such and local measures put in place to prevent a recurrence. It is NOT a "Dangerous Occurence" in respect of being required to be reported under under the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases & Dangerous Occurences Regulations.
smith6720  
#11 Posted : 14 December 2012 13:18:55(UTC)
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smith6720

Many thanks gents > I have completed an internal near miss investigation and made reccomendations, to hopefully ensure no repeats > Post 9 Andrew > why did you have to report it?, if it was not listed in the schedule, sounds to me you did everything right if you conducted investigations and put something in place to prevent re-occurrance.
A Kurdziel  
#12 Posted : 14 December 2012 13:35:57(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

smith6720 wrote:
Many thanks gents > I have completed an internal near miss investigation and made reccomendations, to hopefully ensure no repeats > Post 9 Andrew > why did you have to report it?, if it was not listed in the schedule, sounds to me you did everything right if you conducted investigations and put something in place to prevent re-occurrance.
Sorry I didn’t make myself clear. We had one serious near miss which we investigated etc but despite its serious nature we did not have to report under RIDDOR but a few weeks later we had another separate incident, which we regarded as trivial, but because of it was mentioned in the schedules, we had to report under RIDDOR.
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