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Emailed job advert received today
Required
NEBOSH Certification (what level not given)
Degree in Engineering
High volume manufacturing experience
Location
Guildford/Farnborough
Salary ......£30-32k!!!!
Guess they don't want much!!
And you are supposed to pay for a house in that part of the world on £32k!!
Still I guess you get to keep all of your Child Benefits!!!
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Employers market JJ - thats the way it is.
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I have a NEBOSH Dip, an MSc and BSc (Hons) and I am earning £32k and work in manufacturing with 7 years experience in H&S.
Although I am acutely aware I am under paid, TBH - I'm quite happy I have a job at the moment, and I'm gaining valuable expierence and my employer isnt shy about further training.
I would love more money, but wouldnt we all. For me at the moment - job security, experience and further training are more valuable to be in the short/med term.
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I'm quite disappointed actually - I thought there was going to be a decent joke here... :(
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That is fair money for a Nebosh bod.
Jon
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According to the IOSH salary survey, it's slightly lower than average for Tech IOSH level. However, as has already been said - it's a buyer's market out there at the moment, I would guess the same as most industries.
If someone wants the job, they'll take the money until market forces improve.
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Can you buy a house anywhere for that ?. It used to be 3.5 times your wages so that would be £112K.
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Sure.
You can buy a garage for about 50K.
Or a retirement flat (1-bed) for about 90/150K.
A 2-bed terraced is about 186K +
So you'd need about a 60K earn.....and about 10%....
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JohnMurray wrote:Sure.
You can buy a garage for about 50K.
Or a retirement flat (1-bed) for about 90/150K.
A 2-bed terraced is about 186K +
So you'd need about a 60K earn.....and about 10%.... 5% deposit is enough and you wouldn't need that sized salary, a salary in the 40s and a good credit history will allow you to borrow around £180k - £200k. Unfortunately this equates to a 2-bed flat where I am!
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I wish I was on 30k!!! I'd be happy with 25 But then In Wales ...at least we have rain :-)
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It only becomes a bad salary when someone takes the job.
If it's not workable - don't apply.
There were 200+ jobs on HASAWA Magazine pages last week with 150+ on SHP (some will be doubled up) but lets say 100+ SHE Jobs out there at the minute from 25k to 100k.
As Zimmy has mentioned its known that certain areas of the UK pay+/- than others and although I agree the OP salary is poor for that region it could be worse (Zimmy's Wales example).
The big bucks are currently around Aberdeen - If you want to chase them you have to move.
There will only ever be x amount of big paying firms on your doorstep.
I moved 224 miles for my current role.
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zimmy wrote:I wish I was on 30k!!! I'd be happy with 25 But then In Wales ...at least we have rain :-)
25K. I long to be on 25k!!! I have to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I go to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when I get home, our Dad and our mother would kill me and dance about on my grave singing Hallelujah. Seriously- glad to have a job and as said before, its a buyers market. Andy
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25K. I long to be on 25k!!! I have to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I go to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when I get home, our Dad and our mother would kill me and dance about on my grave singing Hallelujah. Andy
Sulphuric acid? you lucky B and you have a home! , hole in the ground for me, only gravel for tea.
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Once was offered a position down that area with a starting salary of £9,500 (and they wanted a Masters for that!) - they didn't say what the salary was in the advert just that it was "competitive" and it was a full time position (37.5 hours per week). Granted it was about 15 years ago but still....
They did say that after 8 months "probation" the salary would increase....to..wait for it...£10000 (ooooooh, don't spend it all at once eh!).
Needless to say I politely declined the position and looked elsewhere!!
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Im on 24k and get company car,
I have Nebosh General( company wont pay for any further training as a apparantly im so good . W.T.H!)
I over see all health and safety for nearly 70 sites in uk , write all training , do all risk assesments and have to audit all sites twice a year. In fact do everything imaginable all by my self. I manage safety reps at all these sites.
Is my wage rubbish? , as I feel it is and think im getting mugged off.
Let me know your thoughts
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"lisareed - Im on 24k and get company car,
I have Nebosh General( company wont pay for any further training as a apparantly im so good . W.T.H!)
I over see all health and safety for nearly 70 sites in uk , write all training , do all risk assesments and have to audit all sites twice a year. In fact do everything imaginable all by my self. I manage safety reps at all these sites.
Is my wage rubbish? , as I feel it is and think im getting mugged off.
Let me know your thoughts"
Lisa, I would have thought another 10k for this but as several others have put, we are in a job and it is a sign of the times.
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In this current climate I would say that a £32k is a reasonable salary, even with those qualifications. It's a buyers market!
I earn £32k, I'm well qualified (NVQ 4, Degree and HNC Engineering) but there aren't many of those well paid positions around.
I may be overworked, and underpaid, but I am grateful of my job.
Surely it wont be forever?!
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Of course, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
But the reverse if also true - if you only want to employ or only have monkeys to choose from, then why pay them more?
There is still an expectation of high salaries linked to the perceived importance of a post. And, of course, everyone thinks that their job is so so important. But that perception arises from the outside. Inside, where the money comes from and accounts have to be balanced, the outlook may well be entirely different.
Worse still is the expectation that someone of a salary of £x can expect, as if by right, a salary uplift in their next post. I still hear that - I am on £x in my current job but if I am successful in this interview I will expect an entry point somewhere above my current rate. That is simply nonsense. I don't care what job you're in now, and how much you are paid there. No matter how hard you try to climb the greasy pole, the rate for the job is the rate for the job. If you don't want that rate, stay where you are or go somewhere else. Don't apply. It only wastes time.
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Not sure if I like being called a monkey but, been called worse I guess :-)
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Ian.Blenkharn wrote:Of course, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
But the reverse if also true - if you only want to employ or only have monkeys to choose from, then why pay them more?
There is still an expectation of high salaries linked to the perceived importance of a post. And, of course, everyone thinks that their job is so so important. But that perception arises from the outside. Inside, where the money comes from and accounts have to be balanced, the outlook may well be entirely different.
Worse still is the expectation that someone of a salary of £x can expect, as if by right, a salary uplift in their next post. I still hear that - I am on £x in my current job but if I am successful in this interview I will expect an entry point somewhere above my current rate. That is simply nonsense. I don't care what job you're in now, and how much you are paid there. No matter how hard you try to climb the greasy pole, the rate for the job is the rate for the job. If you don't want that rate, stay where you are or go somewhere else. Don't apply. It only wastes time.
AHHH OOOH AHHHHH OOOOHHH
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Guess I have been pretty fortunate throughout my working life after reading some of the salaries mentioned; however if the worst happened and I found myself surplus to requirements at my present post..................then without a shadow of a doubt I would be back at the sharp end in operations rather than jockey for safety positions so under valued.
Total respect for the lads n lassies doing these jobs and hopefully someday you will get an honest days pay for an honest days graft.
(P.S Excellent post Motorhead, gave me right good chuckle that did)
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Generally (with exceptions such as oil & gas, etc.), comparatively speaking H&S has always been lower paid than persons at a similar level in other professions. However, by and large I've also often thought of H&S as more of a vocation than a job.
Let's face it, it can be a bit of a show stopper (or worse) when you are asked at a party or some other gathering what you do for a living and you say you work in Health & Safety. That said, you could say you work in Risk Management - sounds far more Joe 90.... :o)
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garryw1509 wrote:
(P.S Excellent post Motorhead, gave me right good chuckle that did)
I was laughing when I posted it. If I didn't find some humour I think I would cry. Andy
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Some good comments, made me chuckle.
However at the end of the day you are only worth what your employer is prepared to pay!
I have recently been looking around for a new job and the salaries against qualifications do not relate to each other - I blame recruitments agencies! Read some of their job adverts for a laugh:-
"Experience of ISO 18001"
"Must be IOSH"
I could go on but the M62 is calling.
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In a previous role I had to assess competence of those managing risk in various sectors. I was quite surprised at the significant quantity of Safety Managers with very little formal H&S qualifications. Certainly NEBOSH quals were generally known and held by some, mainly NGC. Some senior management figures had very little grasp of what a NEBOSH Dip entailed or that it was equivalent to a degree. I know of several HSEQ Managers on 40k/50k/60k + with 'only' an IOSH MS Cert and Internal Audit Cert + bags of experience, enthusiasm and were natural communicators. These guys also managed people very well and IMO did a great job which was reflected in improving safety KPIs. Who am I to conclude that they were not competent...One in particular I still consider to be one of the most switched people I know.
My point – of the 74 companies on my books at that time, approximately 40% had NEBOSH NGC people in Safety related roles. Most were IOSH MS in conjunction with sector experience and in some cases held a relevant degree. I can count around 7 or 8 that either had Safety related MSc or were working towards one. NEBOSH Dips were a rare beast to spot.
Remuneration was not relevant to me, however from what I gathered, 32k would be considered an undesirable wage in Aberdeen, however average to good in Glasgow or Birmingham, dependent on sector of course! In oil and gas land 32k would be considered poor for a manager, construction good.
All relative to housing cost of course. A 2 bedroom house for lease in Aberdeen in a nice area will set you back £1200 a month…at least.
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I'm also only on the 24k mark and have the dipnebosh but I like to think I'm a realist. The jobs market is not good the area I live in also must be a factor. The company I work for does pay for my training (the last company I worked for begrudged any training cost) and is helping to develope me professionally. Yeah OK they know that I can pass anything they throw at me and I willingly step up to the mark.
I'm also very old fastioned and have loyalty. Is that foolish should I just take what I can get then do what is best for me? Today I helped to key up some training courses rather then the lads being laid off, pay may be bad but at least I can sleep at night!
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lisareed wrote:Im on 24k
Is my wage rubbish? , as I feel it is and think im getting mugged off.
Let me know your thoughts I think its dreadful but it depends on your circumstances, location, debts, family size, working partner? loans, credit cards, mortgage/rent, hobbies, social habits, lifestyle, Primani or Armani....... If I was 18 and single it would be ace, right now it would not cover my Sky subscription. BUT (and there are a zillion other posts on this) You have a Gen Cert, there is generally a cap with this level (Yes, I know others who earn a bucket load with only a Gen Cert) but generally speaking there is a cap. Lisareed. I sort of see what your trying to say but of course I DO expect an uplift in my next role or why have I applied in the 1st place? I have moved 4 times within my SHE career, each time for a circa 5k rise. I would not put pen to paper for a role offering less than current unless prospects were higher and only then would I move sideways - for a very, very short time.
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If you are on good money lucky you, I have taken a pay cut to keep my job, and I am a H & S Manager on less than 25k, but I love my job, 120 employees in manufacturing, good accident rate, one of the top companies for H & S, there are no jobs out there, so you have to take what you can get, just waiting for my peer interview and let see what happens
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People, have you ever thought of working Offshore in the Oil & Gas Industry?
I have been reading the comments on wages :(
regards
Chris
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dont laugh too loud
I have two years H+S construction site / social and domestic, and my salary is a poultry £22.5k a year. Granted I get a car and a fuel card but these are tools that enable me to complete the job as a fair bit of travelling from site to site is required.
I get zero training or have had virtually none in the 15 months I have been with this company.
As the old adage goes "you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"
I think the employers market is buncum. At the end of the day its our job to stop senior management going to prison and guys on the ground from getting injured.
As soon as this is realised then maybe , just maybe we will be valued better
Needless to say I am in the market for a move to an employer that takes its H+S responsibilties seriously
and pays a fair wage
L
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Lojikglos wrote:
Needless to say I am in the market for a move to an employer that takes its H+S responsibilties seriously
and pays a fair wage
L
Don't get stuck down that rabbit hole - It's not always the case. If the Co takes it seriously has a great record, buy in etc etc etc why would they pay a lot for SHE Advice? I have earned more at Co's that are a million miles from where they need to be and need a step change.
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Just applied for a H&S job for £21k and only for 9 months, but glad for the work.
I can't help wonder though, that the average wage is £26k so all those that pay less are effectively saying they consider the job to be below average. OK I'm only Grad IOSH with a NEBOSH Dip, but shouldn’t we be allowed a life. A Life where you don't have to live on an oil rig, and you get to go home most nights to your own bed, just like all the other slaves.
Better put my rose tinted glasses away again.
If employers only want to pay the going rate, why do they ask at interview what I want? Should they just say what they consider to be the going rate? Or is it just they hope you will say less than they are willing to pay!
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A sad reflection of the state of the UK job market as a whole unfortunately - an employers market
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For anyone puzzled by the responses at #12 and #13 it might help to mention that they were based on a TV comedy sketch in which four men reminisce about their impoverished upbringings and become increasingly absurd as they try to outdo each other about how deprived they were.
Though some people think the sketch, known as the "Four Yorkshiremen", came from "Monty Python's Flying Circus", it was originally written for the 1967 British TV comedy series "At last the 1948 Show". However, as one of the Yorkshiremen laments at the end of the sketch, "try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you." :-)
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I see many jobs in London offering around the £30k mark. Unless you live in London and already 'own' a home, I can't see how it is a viable position?
The SE is a particularly expensive place to live!
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I live in Sunny Devon - tis worth the lower wage... Pay is about a massive range of issues, I have know Managers in charge of safety to not hold any formal safety qualifications and earn £60k, I have in the past held a degree and NEBOSH cert and earnt £16k! - The 16K was an ends to a means. So to compare to another industry - a band 5 nurse (now degree educated) in charge of an acute ward, line managing a number of people and being responsible for peoples lives can get paid under £25k Most working over their contracted hours in an under staffed ward and only get slated in the press and by government for doing their best... A band 6 nurse (Getting towards senior management I suppose) - might scrape just over £30k if at the top of their band http://www.nhscareers.nh...da-for-change-pay-rates/ - that's a joke! And here we are moaning about not being able to afford sky? I was once told choose your career based on how it easy it is to get in and do vs salary - if me and wife followed that advice we'd both be working in other sectors :) I love my job and am happy to take a pay hit for my work and location - I could go back to working as a chemist in the chemical industry but......
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I think the original salary on the advert is pretty pathetic because I was earning circa £33k back in 2003.
At the time I was working for the NHS in Leeds, so a regulated/banded salary regime.
At the time I didn't have a degree.
So for this advert to be paying less money 10years later, requiring a degree in engineering and based in a pretty expensive part of the world - shows the value some organisations put on a safety and for a person to give the advice/undertake the work.
While there is great merit in compromising on salaries etc for the sake of a nice place to live, house and friends etc - I think on this occasion somebody is having a joke.
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I guess there's average pay and average pay. The figure of £26K most often quoted by airheads in the media is the mean, and this means very little (sorry about the pune). It only takes a couple of people being paid millions to have tats and tantrums on a football field to skew the mean upwards, and if we factor in all the other celebs, bankers, captains of industry etc the huge weight of top-heavy pay packets means that £26K equates to no comparison worth having. The median will also be skewed towards the top. The only relevant average for pay is the mode; how much do most people get? I have seen figures for the mode, at a time when the mean was £24K, and then it was about £17.5K.
It makes sense if you look at say, Healthcare. There are a few consultants etc on £100K plus, but most of the people are carers/auxiliaries, porters, domestics and the like, and they're probably not on a great deal more than minimum wage. So for my organisation I would guess that the mean would be near £26K, but I bet at least half our workers get less than two-thirds of that.
So £32K is not a dreadful wage, but on the other hand, Universities, the NHS and others pay more for similar roles,
John
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At the end of the day, working in H&S is a lot better than working down the sharp end of a mine shaft?
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JJ your a luck man. I have a number of degrees and have worked in H&S for over 25 years, in and around the Leeds area and do not earn any where near the 30K mark!
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