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darryl.morgan  
#1 Posted : 09 May 2017 15:05:10(UTC)
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darryl.morgan

I haven't been on here for a while, and was just catching up with some of the topics. One of the things i have noticed that in a number of the topics people are saying the H&S market is flooded with people; i am finding that this is not the case, we have been advertising two roles in the London area and have found the quality of applicants coming through is very poor. We have advertised in SHP4Jobs and posted with 4 recruitment agencies to no avail. We advertised for a role we had in the SW and had lots of applicants many of whom i would have considered for the role. Have any of you found this issue that its a very different story across the country in terms of the availability decent of H&S professionals?

walker  
#2 Posted : 09 May 2017 16:12:14(UTC)
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walker

Are you offering the going rate for the region?
lorna  
#3 Posted : 10 May 2017 13:18:41(UTC)
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lorna

When I was searching for work in the North West, I was told (quite seriously) by more than 1 agency that I would have to move to London. So perhaps the answer is that there should be more jobs outside the capital because there are definitely people looking in other areas.

RobFitzmaurice  
#4 Posted : 10 May 2017 13:46:32(UTC)
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RobFitzmaurice

Originally Posted by: walker Go to Quoted Post
Are you offering the going rate for the region?

I've seen some health and safety jobs advertised in the London area which pay no more (occasionally less) than elsewhere in the UK. I'm not sure what incentive anyone would have to take these jobs when commuting/relocating/cost of living in London is taken into account.

jwk  
#5 Posted : 22 May 2017 10:16:14(UTC)
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jwk

It seems to me to depend very much on your industry. We advertised in January for a post; we're a very large humanitarian charity with extensive and varied operations in the UK. We got lots of applicants but most of them just wanted to work for us as we have one of the best-known names of any NGO, not because they had any experience or qualifications in H&S (they hadn't). Of the approximately suitable ones, we managed to find 6 to interview. Three showed up and two did really well at interview (the third did well but was outshone by the other two). We appointed succesfully.

If it had been a construction or industrial job we might have been overwhelmed, I don't actually know, but in our little corner of the employment market we struggle to find talent,

John

Edited by user 22 May 2017 10:17:09(UTC)  | Reason: Clarity

RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 22 May 2017 21:00:24(UTC)
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RayRapp

Anecdotally there seems a large amount of h&s positions available when checking websites like SHP, IOSH, etc. Just they way it is I guess. Whether there is a shortage candidates or prospective employers are not willing to pay the going rate I could not say. However, it has been my widely held view that h&s practitioners are generally underpaid given their qualifications and responsibility; they are definately under valued - but I would say that!

Retiring in 10 months so I don't give a hoot!   

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hilary  
#7 Posted : 23 May 2017 08:44:20(UTC)
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hilary

The money out there is either fantasticly good or shockingly bad.  You can get a job paying £45k-£60k or a job paying £20-£22k but a mid range, mid responsibility job paying about £35-38k is sadly lacking imho.

Faysafetyconsultants  
#8 Posted : 01 June 2017 10:35:24(UTC)
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Faysafetyconsultants

I can not say what its like in England but I know in Ireland the jobs been advertised have terrible pay. With a degree and 10 years experience, I expect to be offered alot more than a graduate, but unfortunately companies don't feel the same. Thats why I find it's alot more rewards doing contract work on a hourly or daily rate. 

aud  
#9 Posted : 01 June 2017 10:46:17(UTC)
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aud

Originally Posted by: hilary Go to Quoted Post

The money out there is either fantasticly good or shockingly bad.  You can get a job paying £45k-£60k or a job paying £20-£22k but a mid range, mid responsibility job paying about £35-38k is sadly lacking imho.

One of the main recruiters, James Irwin, has said the same, based on real-life expereince of the market,  just in the last few weeks.



chris42  
#10 Posted : 01 June 2017 10:47:53(UTC)
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chris42

Originally Posted by: Faysafetyconsultants Go to Quoted Post

I can not say what its like in England but I know in Ireland the jobs been advertised have terrible pay. With a degree and 10 years experience, I expect to be offered alot more than a graduate, but unfortunately companies don't feel the same. Thats why I find it's alot more rewards doing contract work on a hourly or daily rate. 


Take a look at the latest IOSH mag for salary survey (however not split by geographical area). If you look at most job adds in the real world you can take at least £10k off those numbers IMHO

gerrysharpe  
#11 Posted : 01 June 2017 10:50:07(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

I'm pretty Lucky i guess i've just completed my NVQ Level 7 in Senior Construction Mangement and find it far easier getting a Construction managers position with more pay.  The H&S Diploma comes in handy as does my Temp works coordinator cert. But You earn alot more as a Site Manager than you would do as a Safety Manager.

So thats what i'm now doing, Its a shame but i don't think companies value H&S proffessionals as much nowadays, They only become Valuable when theres been an accident!

RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 01 June 2017 11:53:14(UTC)
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RayRapp

Hi Gerry

I have to concur with you, many other 'management' roles are much better paid than h&s roles. With my cynical hat on what does this say about organisations' priorities? Perhaps with the level of fines now metered out by the courts this may change over time. Not soon enough for me though because I have only 9 months to go before retirement - Yippe!  

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freelance safety  
#13 Posted : 01 June 2017 16:33:45(UTC)
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freelance safety

I think we had a similar discussion about this some years ago when the old site was up and running.

RayRapp, retirement sounds wonderful, I can’t wait until I can afford to do that… if I don’t die an old git first…rofl…!

I also think some people are very much underpaid and that quite a few agencies/employers take great advantage of the situation.

That said I guess I work at the top end of the scale and have worked for and with some of the largest projects and high profile clients in the UK – I guess I’ve been fortunate.

I think the lack of prosecutions and enforcement beyond FFI has led to many companies to place health and safety as the ‘add-on’ factor to their businesses. This is not just the SME’s but even major companies, many don’t have any in-house professionals.

This is quite a shift from when I commenced back in the very early ‘90’s when you could just jump from one job to the next.

The culture has also changed, as a test (and marketing strategy) this year I organised an IOSH WS free event, everything paid for including lunch and certification. I sent this out via my company server with the e-flyer and did some marketing to nearly 3000 contacts I have within the UK.

That was several months ago and I’ve had two enquires to date – note not actual bookings…lol. So I dropped this cold potatoe. I have spoken to some of my regular clients (some are household names) to ascertain the lack of response.

Most are reluctant to send staff away for whole days (even though some can actually claim rebate money back). Others genuinely believe it’s not really essential for their staff to have health and safety training anymore. So I believe that the social culture has actually changed towards health and safety within the workplace?

I guess larger fines could help if we saw more enforcement (Prosecutions, IN’s & PN’s etc.). Insurance companies don’t seem to bite their clients like they use to, which was another motivator for some organisations.

  

 

 

Stuart Smiles  
#14 Posted : 02 June 2017 18:49:58(UTC)
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Stuart Smiles

recruit people outside london them skype for meetings etc as appropriate or travel for a few days home and few in office/hotel 

north east has lots of capable depending on what you want who could be down if required. 

depends on what you want, people aren't going to compromise quality of life for "london baby" as it's too expensive to live, travel's a pain and can add hours onto day for no benefit. 

if you want capable people, suggest look at life balance, perhaps part time & people who have kids & need flexibility - do you have regional offices?

don't know your needs/market but that's what i'd suggest. 

where are sites? issues? interview people /meetings? does it need to be in london or can get there if needed,

finding the right organisation is important, but if we believe in looking after people, then perhaps need to let them be based further away. 

personal opinion, don't konw what you need, perhaps could help, but live in sunderland. 

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