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JL  
#1 Posted : 07 May 2018 19:44:53(UTC)
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JL

Should a company health and safety policy have a particular section that is neither relevant nor up to date (such as referring to CDM 2007 rather than CDM 2015) does this void the entire H&S policy or just that particular section in the arrangements, which leads me asking how often would the H&S policy be bought up for scrutiny in the courts (rather than the specific written safe systems of work)

Ian Bell2  
#2 Posted : 07 May 2018 19:49:30(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I think a Court would presecute a particular accident cause, lack of a safe system of work, for example and then take into account that h&s management is likely to be poor, citing an out of date policy etc. Rather than prosecute for an out of date policy. The legal requirment is to have a h&s policy, not how good it is.

Tobias.Ford  
#3 Posted : 08 May 2018 05:30:59(UTC)
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Tobias.Ford

Is the policy, simply referncing a superceeded document?  That seems like it would be relatively minor, in the scheme of things and an easy thing to 'update'?

Kate  
#4 Posted : 08 May 2018 06:41:25(UTC)
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Kate

I agree with Ian.  A poor or out of date H&S policy may be a sign that H&S management is poor or that no one cares, but isn't itself void or a breach of legislation.

If I was auditing and saw that type of outdated reference, it would prompt me to ask a lot more questions and I imagine the same would be true for an inspector.

A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 08 May 2018 09:05:54(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

It's not an exam it’s a working document. You don’t get marks for spelling and style. All that matters is that   you identify suitable controls and make sure that they are being applied.  Most HSE inspectors I have come across look at the policies etc last and look at what is happening on the shop floor first.  

Hsquared14  
#6 Posted : 08 May 2018 09:22:32(UTC)
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Hsquared14

If quoting an out of date document in a policy completely invalidated it then 99.9% of all H&S policies would be totally invalidated because it is almost certain that you will miss one reference somewhere

nic168  
#7 Posted : 22 May 2018 13:44:04(UTC)
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nic168

JL I doubt if an out of date refernce is a cause for concern, but if there are a lot of old refernces or the document has clearly been cut and paste or lifted from elsewhere ( incorrect addressess, refernces to procedures not undertaken, surprising dates  etc are a giveaway) then I think any auditor oe inspector would be looking more closely at other things.

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