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#1 Posted : 02 October 2003 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By jeff Robinson within our company we currently service our own industrial burners. This is currently being done by a person with 10 years cexperience. We have recently been informed that this work can now only be carried out by a CORGI registered person is this correct?
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#2 Posted : 02 October 2003 13:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Bruce jeff, yes, the engineer has to registed with corgi for the relevant elements of gas required on your site if they are going to set up the burners or split any part of the gas line. They also have to be registed with corgi under the company name, as he or she is working for you under your liability. It may be a better option to contract a company in for the gas element of servicing the burners. regards Mike
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#3 Posted : 02 October 2003 14:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Disagree, Where does it say that a person 'MUST' be CORGI registered to undertake this type of work?
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#4 Posted : 02 October 2003 14:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Refer to Regulation 2(4) of the The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998, The places mentioned, eg factories, mines and agricultural premises, are generally excluded from the scope of The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998, , but regulations 37 (gas escapes) and 38 (antifluctuators and valves) do apply However, the general requirements of HASAWA and capability/training requirements of Manangement Regulations and PUWER will apply. It follows that there is no absolute requirement for CORGI registered personnel to undertake maintenance/servicing in premises designated as Factories etc under factories Act 1961 for industrial burners. Howvever, in order to demonstate competence, it is advisable that the maintainence personnel have successfully compeleted the relevant training/competence modules. I reccomend that you refer
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#5 Posted : 02 October 2003 14:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Nice one Jay!
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#6 Posted : 02 October 2003 14:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart C Haven't got the Regs to hand but I believe that In the Gas Safety and use Regs Factories, mines (& boats!) and "generally" exempt. The regulations applying therefore to doemstic & commercial premises. Strictly speaking then CORGI registration is not required but you would have to demonstrate competence perhaps the best way to do so would be to be Cor.....
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#7 Posted : 02 October 2003 18:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gerry Marchant To get the definitive answer, why not contact CORGI. they'll put you on the right track!
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#8 Posted : 03 October 2003 13:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Jeff Not sure whether it is still in print but an old HSE leaflet basically said that all gas fitting work must be done by a CORGI registered person. When I worked for the HSE I pointed out the exemptions that Jay referred to. Seems to me illogical that you don't need to be CORGI if you are employed as a fitter in a factory, but you do if you are employed in an office block. Difficult to defend the prosecution under egHSWA Section 2, 3 and/or 4 when it all goes horribly wrong, and when you try and argue that the competence required was not equivalent to CORGI!!! Regards, Peter
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#9 Posted : 03 October 2003 14:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi My last para stated that to demonstrate competence, it is advisable to do the " relevant" units. There is a Code of Practice from HSC "Standards of training in safe gas installation" COP 20 first published in 1987. For a factory, it should be adequate for maintenance personnel to be trained etc by successfully by covering the relavant units in this COP ,thereby demonstaring competence but not to through the entire process of "CORGI" resgistration.
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#10 Posted : 03 October 2003 19:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gerry Marchant Reg 3 (1) of the Gas Safety (I&U) regs 98.....'no work is permitted to be carried out on a gas fitting or a gas storage vessel except by a competent person'.... Reg 4..where work to a gas fitting is to any extent under their control - or is to be carried out at any place of work under their control - employers (and self-employed persons) must ensure that the person undertaking such work is registered with an HSE approved body such as CORGI
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#11 Posted : 04 October 2003 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Regulation 2 of The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) regulations 1998 is about "General interpretation and application" Regulation 2(4) states: - Save for regulations 37, 38 and 41 and subject to regulation 3(8), these Regulations shall not apply in relation to the supply of gas to, or anything done in respect of a gas fitting at, the following premises, that is to say - (a) a mine or quarry within the meaning of the Mines and Quarries Act 1954 or any place deemed to form part of a mine or quarry for the purposes of that Act; (b) a factory within the meaning of the Factories Act 1961 or any place to which any provisions of the said Act apply by virtue of sections 123 to 126 of that Act; (c) agricultural premises, being agricultural land, including land being or forming part of a market garden, and any building thereon which is used in connection with agricultural operations; (d) temporary installations used in connection with any construction work within the meaning assigned to that phrase by regulation 2(1) of the Construction (Design and Management) Regulations 1994[5]; (e) premises used for the testing of gas fittings; or (f) premises used for the treatment of sewage, but they shall apply in relation to such premises or part thereof used for domestic or residential purposes or as sleeping accommodation. For clarification you can contact the HSE Gas Safety Policy Section--details of various contacts can be accessed at:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/contacts.htm The HSE website for Gas Safety Information is:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/index.htm In all likelihood, they will inform you that for factories, the regs do not apply as per regulation 2(4), but the maintenance personnel have to be competent--so its a question of "demonstrating that competence. There is a Nationally Accredited Certification Scheme (ACS) for Individual Gas Fitting Operatives. You may note that now, gas safety "training" has been separated from the "assessments". There is a multitude of "assessment schemes" for gas safety competence, the majority of them concentrating on domestic/commercial indirect & directly fired systems. To what extent these are relevant to your industrial system, only you can determine after dialogue with the assessment organisation. It is likely that there will be some units that form the "fundamentals" and then the relevant "industrial application one" that your service personnel can be assessed etc against. However, whether you want to proceed (or even if it is possible to meet their critera for CORGI registration-since you actually are not an installation business) is your choice. My understanding is that it is not a statutory requirement for premises stated by regulation 2(4) as none of the regulations except regulations 37, 38 and 41 apply!
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#12 Posted : 05 October 2003 17:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gerry Marchant Jeff, Nice to see a little can of worms opened here...but the bottom line is, if your 'competent' person happens to be the one that causes an incident with your present boilers who is to blame for the ensuing repercussions... 1st) check with your insurance co. if they are happy to accept him doing this..after 10 years I would assume so 2) check with CORGI if he needs to be registered or you need to use a registered person... Nice to see what the outcome is Gerry
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#13 Posted : 09 October 2003 15:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith Archer. HSE Prosecutions area: Summary: Gas Safety (Installation & use) Regulations 1998. Plumber installed gas central heating boiler and was not CORGI registered. 28/11/2001 Fine £1500 plus costs of £1293.85
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