Posted By Wazza Not being one to judge, but I would suggest a permit is needed for all of these areas. In my view, a permit is part of a safe system of work, which when managed is there to 'make the job safer'. If the workers are your staff then insist they complete a permit (bearing in mind the issuer needs suitable training). Many of the areas you identified are indeed higher risk activities, which should have other procedures to go with them. Hope it helps Waz