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Posted By Leo26
Hi Everyone,
Is anyone aware of any impending changes to PUWER?
I have just tried to order a copy of the regs and have been advised that HSE have been out of stock for the last month, expecting delivery mid October. It has been suggested to our buyer that it will be coming obsolete.........
Any ideas, I wasn't aware of any updates to PUWER.
Leo26
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Posted By Andrew Meiklejohn
In case you did not know. It is available to download free of charge, from the HSE Website.
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Posted By Andrew Meiklejohn
Sorry thought you meant the ACOP. I don't know of any intended changes to the regs.
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Posted By Colin Reeves
Blimey, that's quick - only came into force in November 2006 .....
Colin
(Okay - I work in an odd industry .. see SI 2006 No 2183)
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Posted By FAH
Hi Leo
The response that you got may be related to the incoming EU Directive that will replace the existing EU Machinery [Safety] Directive in December this year.
So far as I'm aware though, there haven't even been consequential changes proposed for the UK Machinery [Safety] Regs, let alone PUWER [but keep an eye out for them]
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Peter Still
Frank,
You must have missed seeing the Supply of Machinery (Safety) Regulations 2008 (S.I. 2008/1597).
I'm not aware of any proposed changes to PUWER though.
Peter
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Posted By Leo26
Thanks all for your help.
Leo26
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Posted By FAH
Thank you for the ever-so-gentle reminder Peter; I'm happy to be corrected on this.
It was there in the hyperspace corner of my brain but it simply didn't connect at the time.
Knowing something doesn't necessarily mean remembering it accurately, or even at all, it seems.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Peter Still
Frank,
I find that knowing something is not necessarily the same as being aware of it!
The changes most likely to affect readers of this forum include two additional types of machinery. These are:
(a) Construction site hoists intended for lifting persons or persons and goods;3
(b) Portable cartridge-operated fixing devices.
As far as I can tell the final text of the guidance on the UK regs is not yet published, but there's a useful "Explanatory Memorandum" at http://www.opsi.gov.uk/s.../uksiem_20081597_en.pdf.
Peter
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Posted By Jay Joshi
There cannot be a final explanatory memorandum published without the final version of the regulations!
The latest "supply of machinery" regulations can be accessed at:-
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/s...pdf/uksi_20081597_en.pdf
PUWER are the "user" regulations and the machinery safety regulations primarily deal with "supply"
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Posted By Wayne
Changes to EN 954-1 have been given a further three year grace period.
Regards
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Posted By Peter Still
Wayne,
Be careful - the decision by the Commission to extend the presumption of confomity of EN 954-1 has been rescinded, and will be discussed again on the 7th/8th December.
PM me if you want more details.
Peter
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Posted By steve e ashton
Just a thought: Why is anyone trying to 'order copies of the regs' from HSE?
I wouldn't do that - I'd go to:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1998/19982306.htm
And download a copy for myself for free.
And if my clients needed a copy - I'd give them the link.
Steve
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Posted By Jay Joshi
This appears to be a case of miscommunication at some level!
The free down-loadable version of L 22, i.e the PUWER Regs, ACoP & Guidance on the HSE Books website is the 2008 "Edition" at:-
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l22.pdf
It has a preface that highlights some specifics, but it is only in context of the effect of some of the amending regulations and that the references to other publications have been updated!
Health and Safety Regulations and the accompanying ACoP material cannot be amended without undergoing a consultation process.
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter
Steve
Go with Jays answer, every time I start to read an SI feeling (Yawwwnnn) drowsy and feel the need to drop of to ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Where was I, oh yes, your clients are more likely to read the ACoP than the SI as its tadge more helpful thean a SI.
Badger
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Posted By steve e ashton
I did say '...if the client needed...'. And yes, it would make sense to me to get the full AcoP/Guidance and whatever (free from HSE) if I wanted to read and understand something (Rather than just the regs free from OPSI).
And I'd always try and persuade clients to read the ACoP rather than the regs, or better yet pay me to paraphrase them! (Trust me I'm a consultant..)
My question was why anybody is still paying for stuff that can be got for free for most legitimate purposes.
But, as always, I have read the original post. The question asked related purely to the regs. It did not mention the ACoP. So any discussion of the AcoP (and everything else) is off-topic (albeit perhaps interesting). If this were a NEBOSH exam, most posters would not have scored many marks -they have not read the question. And they have wasted time answering a question that was not asked.
Sorry - and to answer your next question - YES I'm wearing my Mr Grumpy hat this afternoon!
Steve
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