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Please look at the following link and comment and then read my question.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2009/coisco12009.htm
“Mr Pratt used the type of barrier normally found at a roadworks site as protection at the top of the shaft, which is totally unsuitable for that purpose.
I've had a discussion this afternoon with a CDM C who is of the opinion that this type of barrier is OK to use if it is approx. 1.5 metres back from the exposed edge and is not secured.
I believe him to be wrong, does anyone agree with me, if so how can I make him see his error?
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I have photos of the incident in question, and the fault was that the barrier _was_ right at the edge of the shaft, so when the IP leaned out to steady a tub of cement, it fell over and he fell with it. Nothing secured the barrier to the walls or floor.
Edge 'demarcation', set a *significant* distance back from the edge to prevent access by administrative means, can be of any form that makes itself obvious, therefore streetworks kit is fine (as is a chain, or hazard tape and poles). Edge 'protection' is a physical safety barrier placed at the edge itself, and must be of suitable strength to stay in place even if you throw yourself at it, as defined in the WAHR.
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Could you define "significant" as in your response. I wouldn't mind a glimps of the photo if poss.
Many thanks
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If you can get hold of a copy of HSW magazine Aug 2009, we have some photos on page 8.
'Significant' varies - it's the distance needed to ensure nobody can be at risk from or by the edge (falling over it, dropping a spanner on someone below, etc.) even if they fall against the demarcation barrier itself. On a horizontal surface I'd make it 2m to 3m as a minimum, but if there's a slope it may not be possible at all. Structural edge barriers can of course be right at the edge, and usually are.
The rule-of-thumb for WAH near unprotected edges is that PFPE is required if approaching closer than *about* 2m, i.e. a little more than the distance you could fall if you tripped over something. The distance isn't defined in law, only via the concept of "being able to fall". Setting demarcation a fraction further back ensures even if someone trips over the barrier itself, or it bends in the wind (as with a chain or rope), they're still safe.
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UVSAR thank you that is most helpful.
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