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william Loynes  
#1 Posted : 29 June 2021 10:43:24(UTC)
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william Loynes

Good Morning,

I'm looking for a bit of advice about CDM. Whilst I have worked in H&S for many years (Manufacturing) I have no CDM experience. Apart from the HSG L153, is there any information availbale for gaining an understanding at grass roots level.

I have started a new role in an industry that I have not worked in before, and they have no CDM experience, but are now being asked to think about CDM with rgards to Installation and Design of their equipment.

Many thanks

Nivedita  
#2 Posted : 29 June 2021 13:14:33(UTC)
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Nivedita

Hi William,

I have done some CDM work in the past. I can help you with some documentations that I have done. If you can PM me your email address I will send you some CDM related documentation that might be helpful for you.

Ian Bell2  
#3 Posted : 29 June 2021 15:23:28(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

CDM is relatively easy - don't get distracted with contractors etc trying to use CDM to settle commercial/business disputes etc. CDM is purely h&s don't get drawn into such arguments.

CDM is just a generic system for design and construction activities - obviously.

Ensure Clients know their duties, what information they are obliged to supply. What roles they are supposed to appoint - Principal Contractor, Principal Designer. Also how all 3 parties communicate and pass information.

Ensure Designers / the project has a system for identifying hazards at the design stage and for removing/mitigating hazards at the design stage. Passing on information about remaining hazards.

Principal Contractors to control site set up and day to day construction activities.

PD to collate and create the h&s file.

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A Kurdziel on 29/06/2021(UTC), william Loynes on 01/07/2021(UTC)
peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 29 June 2021 18:33:04(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi William 

I agree with Ian that for most situations CDM is relatively easy.

However, the guidance in L153 is a bit simplistic - part of the downgrading that has resulted from HM Govt pressurising the Health and Safety Executive into producing "lite" guidance. 

You might find the Approved Code of Practice, L144 which supported CDM 2007 to be more instructive. I think that you can still download it for free from the HSENI website (i.e. HSE's counterpart in Northern Ireland) 

HSENI always tends to change its legislation in line with that in Great Britain but with a time lag and last time I looked HSENI had not got round to superseding L144.

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Gerry Knowles  
#5 Posted : 30 June 2021 07:18:58(UTC)
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Gerry Knowles

Yes CDM is on the whole easy, and I have done quite a bit of work for various clients over the years.  It was a bit confusing at the start, but I went on a CDM awarness training package run by ROSPA. I dont know if they still run them but it did break the ice on the subject.  It might just be worth a look. 

achrn  
#6 Posted : 30 June 2021 12:52:58(UTC)
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achrn

AS well as L153 you might want to look at the CITB guidance https://www.citb.co.uk/a...ns-2015/cdm-regulations/ This is to some (non-specific) degree endorsed by HSE and has a document for each main duty holder.

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william Loynes on 01/07/2021(UTC)
linaharris  
#7 Posted : 30 June 2021 13:30:41(UTC)
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linaharris

hI, 

i am willing to help on your CDM questions, if you wish to. just send me your e-mail. thx 

firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 03 July 2021 21:18:45(UTC)
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firesafety101

CDM applies to all construction work.  Remember that.

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