Might get a tailored response if you were clear on what "awareness" courses you are seeking.

Hi Shaun,

I might be able to help you through my online training portal. It's a comprehensive suite of E-Learning that covers most industries.

I can set up a business account for you to manage and allocate training courses to your teams. 

Have a look and let me know if this is what you are looking for?

Michelle (michellehay.com)

Michelle Hay Training Limited

Originally Posted by: ShaunBaker91

There you go, I was wanting to avoid adding a big list but hey ho canny appease them all 

Given how big your list is probably a very fair question given the spread of subjects you are wanting to cover.

Blunderbuss & Barn Door springs to mind.

Hi Shaun

Perhaps you should also think about which of these topics might be suited to online training and which might be better done by other methods.

AND what duration each should take?

So, you could have a relatively short online "course" on use of stepladders, but do you really think that "CDM Awareness" could be covered in an hour or less?

What is your objective - to tick some boxes or to actually be confident that the training meets your organisation's needs.

Plenty offering online training in almost anything these days. But what happens when one of your delegates wants to ask a question and the trainer either doesn't answer (perhaps because the training platform isn't set up for a dialogue) or the trainer either hasn't a clue or tries to make it up as they go along?

I made this mistake iin the early days of CDM, though NOT online training. We wanted a trainer to deliver a 3 day course to set up some relatively senior staff to spearhead the delivery of our CDM, then "Planning Supervisor" services. So, I went out to market.

Made it quite clear that we would make the choice on the basis of quality over price and also that I wanted at least 60% of the programme to be case study work. Found a well know consultancy specialising in Construction and a trainer ex HSE. Seemed good as did the proposed programme.

But the delegate feedback to me was far too consistent for my liking. "Peter, every time we asked them a question, they sais they hadn't come across 'that scenario' before". All the scenarios mentioned were entirely predictable questions, most of which I had already dealt with on projects. So do you need a trainer with the knowledge and experience to field your delegates' questions competently?

Finally, a caveat. Whoever you think of choosing, do your due diligence. Would you think that a sole trader is likely to be a sustainable provider going forward, or a high risk choice?

Almost anyone could set up a training business and many are doing so from an office at home. Will they (a) be competent to meet your needs and (b) still be in business in 5 years time?

I tend to agree with Peter here.  Awareness courses are just a very basic introduction to a subject, and not suitable as refresher courses.  Ideally, a refresher has at least some element of looking back at how the learning from the original training has been applied in practice, and can explore questions that have been raised through these experiences. 

However short and cheap an online awareness session is, as a refresher it is a complete waste of time and money.

I've seen people being forced to repeat the same awareness training every year.  It didn't make them more aware, it just made them disgruntled, because they found it boring, pointless and disrespectful of their skills.

So in your long list of tick box awareness you seem to have omitted operating tools, driving, witten English, computers, mathematics and many other aspects which will have been conducted through historical test or examination.

This is what I find infuriating about those who pursue "competency" by ticking the boxes in a perpetual tread mill of sit the course, do the questionnaire - just like the tick box auditor they never see beyond the page and repeat the same trodden path for no additional business benefit.

A very pertinent example is the Road Traffic Act with recent changes in the priority of road users - did you arrange awareness training for all those who undertook their driving test many years ago to address gaps in their knowledge? I know my employer didn't but they do have a record of when my licence was issued.

Education is always about how we used to do things, our problem is we live in today not in the past.

Sorry I was under the impression this was a "discussion" forum with rules about conduct and behaviour.

Peter and Shaun

I wonder if Shaun is frustrated rather than on a high horse. Users on many sites request what they perceive as straightforward requests for specific information . Often their requests are not answered in the way they anticipated leading to frustration ( I speak from personal experience on other sites)  I have read the replies and recognise  the clear depth of knowledge and concern by the responders. The difficulty as Shaun suggests is that we really do not know his organisation and the levels of training provided in detail. 

regards and respect to all

Mirin

Thanks Mirin for your diplomacy.

However, this entire thread is now redundant given that Shaun has removed both his original question (as later amended, at the time probably in an attempt to reflect an entirely reasonable comment from Roundtuit),and all his inputs other than the latest (i.e. that posted after your comment).

In the original question Shaun indicated that what his current provider, IHasco, was providing was not really doing it for his organisation. Not clear whether that was a matter of quality, price, both or something else and he asked for comments on alternatives.

The original post with question was amended following Roundtuit's intenvention to add a long wish list of topics to be delivered by online training. 

At a later point in the thread Shaun sprang a complete surprise - this was NOT training at all as that is donce face to face but rather some form of refresh between iniital face to face training and a refresher using the same mode of delivery. 

All signs that the initial question had been poorly scoped.

An indication that Shaun might be well advised to go back to the proverbial drawing board and think about what he thinks he needs, why he needs it and then think about how to scope his potential contract specification IF he wants Value for Money.

I don't think Shaun's an idiot, I don't think he has failed, and I do think he is a real person.

I also see how it is annoying to ask a factual question (what providers do such a thing) and instead of getting factual answers (providers X and Y and Z) see the premise of the question being challenged.

Originally Posted by: peter gotch

Thanks Mirin for your diplomacy.

However, this entire thread is now redundant given that Shaun has removed both his original question (as later amended, at the time probably in an attempt to reflect an entirely reasonable comment from Roundtuit),and all his inputs other than the latest (i.e. that posted after your comment).

In the original question Shaun indicated that what his current provider, IHasco, was providing was not really doing it for his organisation. Not clear whether that was a matter of quality, price, both or something else and he asked for comments on alternatives.

The original post with question was amended following Roundtuit's intenvention to add a long wish list of topics to be delivered by online training. 

At a later point in the thread Shaun sprang a complete surprise - this was NOT training at all as that is donce face to face but rather some form of refresh between iniital face to face training and a refresher using the same mode of delivery. 

All signs that the initial question had been poorly scoped.

An indication that Shaun might be well advised to go back to the proverbial drawing board and think about what he thinks he needs, why he needs it and then think about how to scope his potential contract specification IF he wants Value for Money.

No. I did not spring a surprise, I asked for general providers of online awareness training. 1 element of our training delivery. I then got belittled by you and Rounduit and made to feel 2 inch tall over ONE aspect of our training delivery. I then EXPLAINED that we do Face to Face interactive training courses and use online training as a gap fill / memory jog, to then come back onto the forum to yet more pointless comments.

Everyone else who has provided relevant information and those who have come on to this thread to comment in regards to poor comment, I thank you and will touch base with those who have provided contact details.

Edited by user 01 November 2024 12:41:05(UTC)  | Reason: Misplacement