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Pamela Breffitt  
#1 Posted : 11 January 2022 09:36:29(UTC)
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Pamela Breffitt

Hello, I am planning to get my kitchen refurbished and I want to know if it comes under CDM and what my responsibilities are. The kitchen has been designed and scheduled but there has been no mention of CDM by the kitchen designer/supplier. The work consists of:

  • Removing internal non-load bearing wall
  • Rip out existing kitchen and flooring
  • New electrical work for sockets etc.
  • New plumbing for heating and water etc.
  • Plastering all damaged walls and ceiling
  • Removal of old heating pipes that have been boxed in and redundant for many years - non asbestos
  • Fitting new flooring and cabinets

Work is planned to take less than 10 working days.

#2 Posted : 11 January 2022 10:06:00(UTC)
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If this is your kitchen at home, then CDM does apply, but you as a domestic client have no responsibilities.  It is up to the contractor to make sure it is all done safely.

thanks 1 user thanked Kate for this useful post.
Pamela Breffitt on 11/01/2022(UTC)
#3 Posted : 11 January 2022 11:26:59(UTC)
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I had my bathroom refitted over two weeks before Xmas and the one-man band plumber in a van used the Construction Phase Plan template from the HSE (CIS80), without me mentioning anything.

There is also an APP from CITB, which is mentioned in CIS80, that does the same thing.

I have to say though that I was surprised my plumber had it and presented me with a copy.  Perhaps it was because he knew what I did for a living and he knew about CDM from his time in the public sector??  Generally, in my experience, the people doing this kind of work are blissfully unaware of CDM and have an almost zero chance of being caught out by it.  The good ones will be doing what is required without really realising that they are following the principles of CDM for this type of work.

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 11 January 2022 11:52:34(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Pamela

Sound advice from Kate and Holliday.

Assuming that there is more than one contractor doing this work, CDM will apply but it is up to others to sort out the CDM issues, as you count as a "domestic client". For information, L153 is the free download guidance from the Health and Safety Executive.

The one thing that makes me nervous is the redundant stuff that has been boxed in for many years. 

Depends on what "many years" means but if the boxing in was done before 1999, it is far from unlikely that Asbestos Containing Materials (ACMs) were used for whatever reason. Now the people who do this for a living all the time may be able to easily reassure you that what they are removing can reasonably be assumed not to include ACMs but it might be worth asking the question.

I am in a similar situation at present. We are due to get an upgrade to the electrical supply into our building. Constructed in 1880 when ACMs had not become popular, but converted into flats in the 1960s by which time ACMs were in vogue - so I am concerned about some elements of what needs to be done to put much larger openings into parts of the building structure. Some bits are very obviously NOT ACMs - e.g. drilling a larger hole through a stone staircase, other penetrations more problematic as could be cutting through ACM fire protection.

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