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bradaz1  
#1 Posted : 17 February 2023 15:35:48(UTC)
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bradaz1

Has anyone encountered work processes which could be both documented as a step by step process, but could also be undertaken out of sequence if some variation to the work was required.  

For example, a client sets up joinery shutters for concrete components which can be standard shapes, however frequently the dimensions can change, there can be extended pieces added along with other anomalies to 'standard' units.  In addition to this, depending upon the final required shape, the putting together of the mould could take place in different order to a 'normal' unit.

For this type of work has anyone put together a simple list of do's and dont's to follow as a safe working rules document rather than a step by step procedure.

I'm thinking that something simple e.g rules which applies to the task as a whole but is not too prescriptive would suffice.

e.g.

Don't stand under a suspended load

Do make sure hearing protection is worn when power tools are used.

Do keep the work area tidy as work progresses.

Don't use nail guns unless trained and competent

Do ensure eye and face protection, hearing protection are used when operating nail guns.

Read the COSHH data and assessment for the glues, varnishes and oils to be used.

Do ensure all connections on mould pieces are secure before turning the mould over

Don't turn the mould over without checking conncections first.

Ensure extension pieces are properly secured and supported.

Do ensure hand tools are in good working condition

Don't use any defective tools or equipment - take them out of service for repair or disposal.

Just some examples which could be more seen as rules rather than a specific work procedure.  To write up a specific procedure for all the possible variations of work would not be what I consider good use of anyones time.  Far better to introduce some simple rules to follow which allow flexibility in the process but which put boundaries for safe working in place.

Any thoughts or comments on this type of approach.

TIA

Kate  
#2 Posted : 19 February 2023 16:24:49(UTC)
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Kate

I'm a little surprised that no one has responded to this yet.

I don't happen to have used exactly this approach, but I think it could make a lot of sense in the right circumstances.

The only thing I'd add is that if I was doing this, I would ask the people doing the task to contribute the do's and don'ts and then compile them together.  They are the ones that know and it gives them ownership.

HSSnail  
#3 Posted : 20 February 2023 07:47:40(UTC)
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HSSnail

Is it me just being thick, but is this not the "significant findings" of your risk assessment - or to put it another way a list of your controls oe Safe Working Procedures? 

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MikeKelly on 20/02/2023(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 20 February 2023 09:30:56(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

People do get het up about this subject sometimes. As Brian said the legal requirements is that the findings of the risk assessment process are recorded and passed onto employees. There is no need to write pages of  method statements etc. Having looked at many RAMS over the years I am not surprised by the approach that that poster has taken. Obviously, some people can not tell a story and explain  what they are meant to be doing and trying to work out what these narratives mean can be challenging, so a list of does and don’t, fulfils the legal requirements BUT  in some H&S management systems, there an expectation that RAMS both describe the risk assessment process and how it gets to its conclusions. That is what drives the perceived need for detailed RAMS: a need to tick a box entitled: “Are the RAMS comprehensive and complete?”.

Of course there is a skill in completing such a piece of documentation, which means that the person completing the RAMS is able to comply  with the management system requirements  but not necessarily understand the actual underlying operational process nor convey it to the people actually do the work.

What means that the long detailed RAMS might be totally useless!   ​​​​​​​

So keep it simple...if they let you!

Edited by user 20 February 2023 11:24:48(UTC)  | Reason: ambiguous meaning

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MikeKelly on 20/02/2023(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 20 February 2023 09:34:10(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Think I am with Brian on this one - there is one overall scope to the task (the creation of shuttering) with many routes to assembling the required forming work.

You could as you say spend endless hours creating the variations on a theme or as you have attempted abstracted the common hazards and controls applicable to any alternative practice.

I would however avoid blanket PPE - it should be related to the task and the equipment being used after all the employer shoud have taken steps to eliminate or minimise the hazard.

Don't forget adjacent workers - no good the operator on the nail gun being protected if the chippies mate working at the side of them isn't wearing anything.

Follow the story line - first check tools/work area, conduct activity, clean up

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 20 February 2023 09:34:10(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Think I am with Brian on this one - there is one overall scope to the task (the creation of shuttering) with many routes to assembling the required forming work.

You could as you say spend endless hours creating the variations on a theme or as you have attempted abstracted the common hazards and controls applicable to any alternative practice.

I would however avoid blanket PPE - it should be related to the task and the equipment being used after all the employer shoud have taken steps to eliminate or minimise the hazard.

Don't forget adjacent workers - no good the operator on the nail gun being protected if the chippies mate working at the side of them isn't wearing anything.

Follow the story line - first check tools/work area, conduct activity, clean up

bradaz1  
#7 Posted : 24 February 2023 14:15:23(UTC)
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bradaz1

Thanks to all for the replies

I take all viewpoints on board.

Apologies for the lack of detail, the examples were just meant as food for thought. Of course where specific PPE is required there will be additional instruction.

I was just looking for feedback as at previous employers the expectation was to produce reams and reams of paper to cover all evenualities and then make sure that everyone remembered everything from the 'war and peace' that was produced.

I am a big believer in keeping it simple and relevant to the task as well as the target audience.

Cheers and have a great weekend.

peter gotch  
#8 Posted : 24 February 2023 15:02:34(UTC)
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peter gotch

bradaz, "War and Peace" is a good read but not for everyone, and particularly not when it comes to communicating occupational health and safety etc issues at the sharp end.

But you could break down Tolstoy's classic into Chapters.

So, you have a Chapter that deals with the "Site Rules". If there are some (hopefully, properly thought out and not simply chosen as a blanket approach) rules that apply across the entirety of the site (doesn't matter whether this is construction -as your thread implies - or any other sector), then you can communicate those.

Which means that those rules do NOT need to be in the information contained in relation to a specific part of the site or any specific activity done somewhere on site.

So Chapter 2 might be the groundworks - on top of the Site wide rules other things come in to play and need to be briefed to some but NOT all those working on site.

Then Chapter 3, 4 or 786 might deal with this shuttering operation. What is different to any other activity that falls within the overall topic of Groundworks?

If you can show that Worker A has been inducted in the Site Rules, has been briefed in the Groundworks top up requirements and briefed in the "significant factors" associated with the task specific risk assessment for constructing (and striking if in the same documentation) shuttering, you shouldn't have any real problems with the auditor (even if of the tick box variety of auditor).

...and to paraphrase what others have said the workers themselves probably know best as to what way of communicating will work for them.

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bradaz1 on 24/02/2023(UTC)
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