Posted By Homer 100% behind you on this one but surely you must be eligible for CMIOSH?

Posted By snt Lets look at CIOB membership route. http://www.ciob.org.uk/c...ship/ROUTES%20FLYER.pdf. Here the body of knwoledge are explicit and everybody knows where they stand.

Posted By snt Check this out. http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...?go=membership.structure

Posted By Martin Keeler Sorry folks, a tech IOSH cannot become CMIOSH by CPD alone. Regards Martin

Posted By Alexander Falconer snt, have looked at both routes (the training provider one is a bit confusing). The IOSH membership one is clearly defined, however where it states PGD/BSc/accredited level6 diploma etc, these are required to be in a H&S subject (or are they?). One thing that probably becomes confusing for me is the fact there are two qualification frameworks in the UK, there is the England and wales version which highlights 8 levels, the level 6 qualification fitting into the same level as a degree, the NVQ 4 fits in at level 5, etc. Up here in Sunny scotland we have 12 levels, the level 6 qualification fits in somewhere between 9 & 10, whilst my SVQ level 5 fits in at level 11 - the same level as a Masters degree, which fits in at Level 7 of the England & Wales framework. Mind boggling - we are all the same country, therefore sould be a standardised framework for all.

Posted By gham That what a Grad IOSH does for two years to prove they are competent. So if your Tech IOSH and have been since the horse and cart and have more degrees that a thermometer you still need to complete a professional qualification programme be it NEBOSH Dip, or BSc or other professional diploma where the subject is H&S and complete two years IPD as Grad IOSH before you get that all being CM in front of the IOSH bit, and until the you know nothing. Great system! What happened to all the members who where MIOSH but did not complete CPD did they get regarded to GradIOSH if they sis how many still use the letters MIOSH???

Posted By gham IPD in IOSH terms i've have understood to mean Initial Professional Development i.e. regrdless of what you have done before now you have the qualification you can begin developing in the H&S field

Posted By snt Using the cognate route, you are qualify for GradIOSH witg BEng and Diploma in Env Mgmt and Dipl part 1, your aduditor training would also meet certain criteria, SVQ level 5 in management would count as your IPD. All you need is peer review. As your peer, I am still considering you. (Laugh). Get your form and lay your claims for Chartered status.

Posted By gham Alexander Sorry i perhaps did over simplify it, from the perspective of an employer they are looking for particular letters to jump out at them. I was just trying to illustrate how straight cut the process is G'

Posted By AMJAD AL ATA Hi all over there, I am doing nebosh certificate (this march exam), more than three years H&S experience. One of my vocational dreams is to join IOSH membership (from the zero point), and my previous idea about the membership issue was so simple, now i feel that the issue is so complicate, why i do not know? (i will keep reading responses to this thread, may i find fact to hold. can anyone tell me, after one holds nebosh certificate, does he has a place in IOSH? Regards Amjad

Posted By Keith E Well I thought I understood the new membership structure! For myself, I orginally did the General Cert many years ago, then did the Pt 1 Diploma. Then get fed up with the whole NEBOSH/IOSH training system - i.e. lack of flexibility, failure to recognise other equally valid training etc (Like Alex I originally qualified in mechanical engineering - although 'only' HNC and not full degree). I objected to paying the cost of Dip Pt2, when so much of the syllabus is embedded within engineering/science which I had already studied and passed exams in - so why did I/Alex have to pay again? However because IOSH is/was so inflexible, I eventually had to bite the bullet, and found the cheapest route was to study via the Open University to get MIOSH status (see other threads by snt posted over the last few days for my comments regarding Open University). I finished OU studies 2yrs ago and achieved, the then MIOSH level of membership. It is now my understanding that MIOSH no longer exists and that I am now Grad IOSH status. I have enrolled on the CPD cycle to get CMIOSH, July 2007. I find CPD to be a bit of a joke - having being employed in the safety industry now for nearly 10years,I don't need to be told that keeping up to date with legislation/changes etc is a vital part of the job. IOSH membership/CMIOSH is simply a way of getting a better paid job and everything that comes with it. At the end of the day we are all playing a silly game. Cynical about safety - you bet I am! Don't think I have ever come across an organisation/set of people so wound up and quite frankly 'snobby' about their qualifications and letters after their names. I am making strong efforts to totally get out of the safety industry as it is so petty and small minded. Its no wonder the profession has the reputation that it has in the general press etc. I think it has to be recognised that 'elf and safety is a very broad church, and there always will be a number of ways of getting qualified and experienced. In the final analysis, IOSH have simply been more successful, in the commercial sense in building their so called status. There are people where I work, who in my opinion are perfectly competent in their jobs, from the safety point of view and have no IOSH/NEBOSH qualifications.

Posted By Martin Keeler Sorry I forgot to add, members at all levels

Posted By dave burrage I think an intersting point was made earlier regarding the status of those recent MIOSH members when the new structure came along. Were they simply 'given' CMIOSH or were they re-graded at Grad IOSH and enrolled on the IPD or CPD for the two year cycle to be eligible for CMIOSH?

Posted By Neil Denning Responce to Keith, Hi MIOSH does still exist the only thing which as change is the fact that RSP as altered to CMIOSH so instead of MIOSH RSP you now get CMIOSH.

Posted By Neil Denning I am in the process of confirming MIOSH still exists will post once confirmed. I am sure it is as I have just recieved certificate and card with MIOSH after my name. Im with you the letters do not matter its the money at the end of the month that matters.

Posted By Neil Denning CONFIRMED If you graduate with IOSH recognised diploma you get GRADOSH and if you have 3 years exeperience you get still get MIOSH but you must be enrolled on CPD or you are stripped of anything and become affiliate. These are Branch Chair Of Yorkshires Exact words pasted: Yep Everyone has 2 years to complete CPD that are MIOSH if they do that they then become CMIOSH if they dont they lose any right to designatory letters and become affiliate So if you are not registered on CPD you are only affiliate.

Posted By Alexander Falconer Judging by the comments raised from this thread, seems there may well be a viable need to suggest CMIOSH via a mature candidate route. For attention of Hazel Harvey, do you think this option could be made available in line with other chartered institutions How about it!

Posted By Martin Keeler Alexander, Interesting point you raise regarding IIRSM v IOSH. The majority on the board at IIRSM hold IOSH membership at Fellowship and Chartered levels! Regards, Martin

Posted By snt How about studying for an MSc and get MIOSH/CMIOSH?

Posted By Sean Stephenson You would still only achieve Graduate status following completion of an appropriate level qualification until you have completed a 2 year CPD.