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peter gotch  
#121 Posted : 20 June 2020 10:57:31(UTC)
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peter gotch

To confirm a comment made by John Murray a couple of days ago....

I went for my first hospital appointment in months yesterday (in Scotland) 

Walked in with a face covering.

Soon realised that my glasses were steaming up. Haven't yet tried the application of shaving gel that is supposed to help.

Virtually no staff nor patients wearing face coverings. My temperature was checked on entrance by a nurse who wasn't wearing any face covering.

Physical distancing measures in force. Number of patients in clinic severely restricted with far fewer chairs in the waiting area. No more than two patients at any time while I was waiting. One had relative with them. This would probably be very atypical as the clinics are in the process of restarting.

The only exception was when one of the surgical team needed to be in close proximity to my face. Medical mask put on and removed once they had checked me over. 

Professor (Head of unit) came in to see me. No face covering. Even thought it OK to shake my hand.

We talked about the approach taken to Covid within the company I work for and in the NHS in Scotland. He was going in to a meeting in the afternoon to try and make sure that cancer treatments get back up the agenda.

"Covid might kill you. Cancer does kill you." Possibly a slight exaggeration as of course the reason for these clinics is to try and stop that, and I am living proof!

Collected my letter for next appointment from reception. Much more detailed. Nobody to accompany me (unless with good reason) - something that I had assumed would be one of the "rules" yesterday. Don't turn up more than 5 minutes before appointment. I had arrived 15 minutes early. Must not repeat! Restricted numbers in clinics to continue for now.

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John Murray  
#122 Posted : 20 June 2020 12:38:21(UTC)
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John Murray

You must be really lucky.

My cancer treatment is via "we'll phone you at **** on **** to talk to you about things".

One guy I know, also with cancer, has had his brachytherapy put off twice.

The way things are going, more people are going to cease to live because of cancelled/suspended treatment for other diseases than for CV19.

Another load of numbers to be fiddled.

chris.packham  
#123 Posted : 20 June 2020 14:10:25(UTC)
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chris.packham

Two weeks ago next Monday I went for a cateract operation. On arrival outside centre I had to phone that I was there. Was told to wait and phone again at a specified time. Was told then that OK to come to the door of the centre (not hospital but specialist eye centre). Door was opened by someone wearing mask. Temperature taken, mask donned, sanitiser provided. Everyone wearing mask. No other patient in reception. Everyone I saw was wearing a mask. Only during actual operation was I asked to lower mask to below jaw. Did not see another patient. Everyone I saw made regulat use of alcohol sanitiser. Now waiting for op on other eye then for the first time since I was about 5 I hope to be able to see without specs as first eye now really good!

peter gotch  
#124 Posted : 21 June 2020 11:46:28(UTC)
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peter gotch

Yes, Chris, but in England they are so desperate to relax the 2m physical distance, that instead lots of additional precautions being mandated, including the use of face coverings as a fairly iffy form of protection.

Scotland staying firm on the 2m for longer and slower to force the population to use chocolate fire guards, though the signs of this happening are there.

Scottish Office Minister on BBC this morning from his constituency in Milton Keynes (no MK is NOT in Scotland - we have EK). Spoken lots to business communities but didn't mention talking to eg Trade Unions.

Roundtuit  
#125 Posted : 06 July 2020 11:09:21(UTC)
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Roundtuit

With the devolved assemblies shifting position on public face coverings for those interested CEN published a Community Workshop Agreement 17553:2020 to bring some standardisation to the current free for all

https://www.cencenelec.eu/News/Press_Releases/Pages/PR-2020-004.aspx

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Roundtuit  
#126 Posted : 06 July 2020 11:09:21(UTC)
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Roundtuit

With the devolved assemblies shifting position on public face coverings for those interested CEN published a Community Workshop Agreement 17553:2020 to bring some standardisation to the current free for all

https://www.cencenelec.eu/News/Press_Releases/Pages/PR-2020-004.aspx

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Roundtuit  
#127 Posted : 07 July 2020 20:23:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Speaking to LBC Dr Bharat Pankhania said "We must not wear those masks with the valve out in public."

It comes as the president of the Royal Society Professor Venki Ramakrishnan has urged everyone to wear face masks and a new report found the UK was slower to take up wearing them compared with other countries.

N.S.S. without clarity and guidance between "experts" and government we are left to blindly stumble around drawing our own conclusions.

Gets too far when employees start asking why we aren't protecting them at work by supplying proper KN95 masks as if the provided FFP2 and FFP3 are some how sub-standard.

Roundtuit  
#128 Posted : 07 July 2020 20:23:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Speaking to LBC Dr Bharat Pankhania said "We must not wear those masks with the valve out in public."

It comes as the president of the Royal Society Professor Venki Ramakrishnan has urged everyone to wear face masks and a new report found the UK was slower to take up wearing them compared with other countries.

N.S.S. without clarity and guidance between "experts" and government we are left to blindly stumble around drawing our own conclusions.

Gets too far when employees start asking why we aren't protecting them at work by supplying proper KN95 masks as if the provided FFP2 and FFP3 are some how sub-standard.

Jason90212992  
#129 Posted : 10 July 2020 08:01:15(UTC)
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Jason90212992

Forum Name: jason90212992= Boon Chye Oh (Jason)

PPE: The last line of defence (masks) 

The quality of masks requirements will fall back to the risk at source, i.e. Covid-19. As the latest research highlighted the virus will mutate and may be more contagious. The designing of the PPE -masks will have to understanding the mutation and the challenges face. As vaccine and test kits may not be the only solutions.

We have to change and adapt fast in order to move on with our daily life as lockdown is only for temporary measures. For interim solution, I believe we have to look into designing effective and affordable PPE (full face masks). For long term solution, it may not be immediate and may take years!

  

  

 

Roundtuit  
#130 Posted : 10 July 2020 14:11:41(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The Unite Union has reportedly broken ranks stating it will back employees who refuse to work if actual PPE is not issued https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/health-and-safety/union-calls-for-change-to-site-safety-guidance-on-masks-10-07-2020/?eea=aVNUUm1NSjZCKzQxWGFHcTh2dTVEZ0cxd25hT1kwSVZxUTd4SU0wT0J0dz0%3D&n_hash=1656&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkdVeU1EZGxNV1EyTTJaaCIsInQiOiJMXC9vMjIwdUhtSkZYeVFWV2JkTVkxR1ZDSEk5Z0NRWU5SSkJ0MEkzMVRpNnBxNnVnZHlYcGlSdlQrcE5IRVpPZkNKTVdHNVwvWFl5SGtwOXBXY0dzTUVOVmlZb1hURWNDVHhCSUpQOEdsUEVIaDdhNFVEeklON2V6T1RMNGZCNGUrIn0%3D

Will they also be supporting dismissal of those who refuse to shave so the demanded PPE fits (after all the job was already costed so any PPE provided will be CATNAP)?

We really do have a society incapable of contemplating more than a single issue at any one time and more importantly to think through potential consequences from an action. This is where U-turns and reversals occur - policy is stated, found to be wanting and it becomes necessary to back track.

Roundtuit  
#131 Posted : 10 July 2020 14:11:41(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The Unite Union has reportedly broken ranks stating it will back employees who refuse to work if actual PPE is not issued https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/health-and-safety/union-calls-for-change-to-site-safety-guidance-on-masks-10-07-2020/?eea=aVNUUm1NSjZCKzQxWGFHcTh2dTVEZ0cxd25hT1kwSVZxUTd4SU0wT0J0dz0%3D&n_hash=1656&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkdVeU1EZGxNV1EyTTJaaCIsInQiOiJMXC9vMjIwdUhtSkZYeVFWV2JkTVkxR1ZDSEk5Z0NRWU5SSkJ0MEkzMVRpNnBxNnVnZHlYcGlSdlQrcE5IRVpPZkNKTVdHNVwvWFl5SGtwOXBXY0dzTUVOVmlZb1hURWNDVHhCSUpQOEdsUEVIaDdhNFVEeklON2V6T1RMNGZCNGUrIn0%3D

Will they also be supporting dismissal of those who refuse to shave so the demanded PPE fits (after all the job was already costed so any PPE provided will be CATNAP)?

We really do have a society incapable of contemplating more than a single issue at any one time and more importantly to think through potential consequences from an action. This is where U-turns and reversals occur - policy is stated, found to be wanting and it becomes necessary to back track.

John Murray  
#132 Posted : 11 July 2020 11:24:16(UTC)
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John Murray

Trying to figure-out how you got such an extended URL for that site!!  https://www.construction...nce-on-masks-10-07-2020/

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